Re: [VOTE] Scalar Type Hints

On Mon, Feb 9, 2015 at 12:03 PM, Zeev Suraski <zeev@zend.com> wrote: >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Andrea Faulds [mailto:ajf@ajf.me] >> Sent: Monday, February 09, 2015 12:44 PM >> To: Zeev Suraski >> Cc: Jordi Boggiano; internals@lists.php.net >> Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [VOTE] Scalar Type Hints >> >> Hi, >> >> > On 9 Feb 2015, at 03:48, Zeev Suraski <zeev@zend.com> wrote: >> > >> > A - has pretty much everybody agreeing with is a good idea. Nobody >> objects to it. It's under consensus. >> >> This isn't true. I've explained why it isn't true several times. Maybe > you are >> suffering from confirmation bias or something, but there is no such >> "consensus". Quite a few internals contributors liked v0.1. Quite a few > didn't. >> I've gone and evidenced this before in replies sent directly to you. > > Andrea, > > I'll make an absolute last attempt to explain what I'm saying, after that > we can agree to disagree. We probably interpret the same facts > differently. > > Fact is, there were very few people who said that weak types are *bad* > (although Sebastian seems to fall in that category). The vast majority of > feedback that 'opposed' weak typing, didn't really oppose weak typing at > all. What it opposed was, rather, the lack of introducing strict typing. > That is clearly not the same thing, which is why the fact there were > people who opposed v0.1 of the RFC does not equate with people opposing > weak typing, not at all. > > Each and every person that voted in favor of the v0.3 RFC, voted in favor > of weak typing. Weak typing is not only a key element of that RFC - it's > even the default behavior. In addition to everyone who voted in favor of > the v0.3 RFC, many - most probably most of the people who voted against > it- are in favor of the weak typing API. If you combine the two groups, > you're going to get to nearly 100% support, or arguably, 'lack of > opposition', to the weak typing proposal. Woah there Zeev, please take your words out of my mouth, and out of the mouths of 48 other people. I voted Yes for this RFC because default weak and optional strict is a perfectly PHP-way™ to get this job done. You really have to stop speaking for other people, or this conversation is going to go off the rails for eternity. We can speak for ourselves.