Whither PEAR2 (Was: Re: [PEAR-DEV] PEAR2 Standards)

Alan and all, I, for one, can't wait for PEAR2. From what I've seen, lurking on the mailing lists, the team is at least trying to do a "proper" OO approach; granted, on a language that was not designed for it from the ground up and is showing increasing resistance to modern methods. PHP *has* been the "duct tape language" for quite some time pre-PHP 5; this really is the last great shot at crafting a system that can be used in core engineering-driven Web development, which has different requirements/styles/preferences than casual hacking. PEAR2, in my view, anyway, is imperative to: * effectively use and demonstrate current PHP language features; * promote more granular reuse than is practical with PEAR 1.x; * help maintain and expand the mindshare and usage of PHP 5 and later in wider ranges of environments; * whether we like it or not, be seen as "keeping up with" the competition (Python/Perl 6/Java/ASP.NET). Thank you all very much for your efforts! -- Jeff Dickey Seven Sigma Software and Services Email: jdickey@seven-sigma.com <mailto:jdickey@seven-sigma.com> GnuPG <http://www.gnupg.org/> key: Fingerprint: EC0A A53B 3FF3 043B 9C11 7006 55A6 11B3 E0CC 8D6C (Valid 14/09/2007 to 31/06/2008) Click here to download <http://www.seven-sigma.com/gpg_pubkey_jdickey_at_seven-sigma_dot_com.asc> Phone/SMS: +65 9360 1820 Yahoo! IM: <http://messenger.yahoo.com> jeff_dickey MSN IM: <http://messenger.live.com/> jeff_dickey@hotmail.com <mailto:jeff_dickey@hotmail.com> ICQ: <http://www.icq.com/> 8053918 <http://www.icq.com/people/about_me.php?uin=8053918> QQ: <http://www.qq.com/> 30302349 If you can't reach me by any of these, one of us may be permanently offline... Alan Knowles wrote: > Unless I'm missing something - these 'controversial issues' have > re-appeared in their original horrific form. eg. Force autoload on > everyone... > > Namespaces look like a complete mess, having read internal's for the > few months.. - Sticky taping a idea into a language that was never > really designed for it... PHP, is becoming the Ducktape language of > tommorow...... ;) > > Anyway - I dont see any real value in PEAR2, at present, and would > probably be quite happy with PEAR1.. for the next few years... > > Regards > Alan > > > Arnaud Limbourg wrote: >> Hello all, >> >> The PEAR Group would like to announce the PEAR2 Standards. We want to >> point out the document is not final. Everybody is encouraged to take >> a look and give feedback. You can refer to the document as "version >> 1" of the standards. >> >> The document which served as a basis was already discussed and >> controversial issues have been moved out for further discussion. >> Policies that will be applied to PEAR2 will be the subject of another >> document. >> >> The document will expire on March 1, 2008, to be reevaluated and >> renewed by the PEAR Group. >> >> You can find the document at the following url: >> >> http://pear.php.net/manual/en/pear2cs.php >> >> ps: and merry christmas !