Re: Re: PECL Development Environment and Installation Support

Hi, I haven't really ocupied myself with the VC6 vs. VC9 compatibility, but please consider the following points: * 5.2.* isn't supported anymore, this means * extensions code do not really care about 5.2.* APIs * VC6 was issued 1998, so it's pretty old now * currently all the PHP 5.3+ code is compiled with VC9. * all PHP deps are compiled with VC9 * modern Apache versions are compiled with VC9/10 * VC6 knows nothing about modern C/C++ and optimization techniques * etc. This obviously leads to the conclusion that supporting VC6 were something like supporting some really old and dead thing. Besides the question about how much demand it really could find all the dev resources for that would need to be at least doubled (devs, testing and build platforms, VC6 vs VC9 compat, etc.). Furthermore, in the light of the Visual C++ 2012 which is already beta now, only the direction arises to move forward, just IMO. Cheers Anatoliy Am So, 1.07.2012, 16:15 schrieb Ganesh Bhat: > Hello, > > Detailing the first point - > VC9 (VCx) backward compatibility to VC6 (VCx-1 or VCx-2 or VCx-y) > AND > VC6 (VCx) upward compatibility to VC9 (VCx+1 or VCx+2 or VCx+3) > > The backward compatibility framework is simple, the new core will have a > interpreter module/ Library for lower VC versions "OR" should allow to run > older core and libraries with the new PHP VC version with a bridge(with VC > Distributables needed accordingly). Right now VC allows for downgrade > compatibility. > > The upward compatibility will be somewhat the same, and the older core > will > be able to install and run the new core and interpreter module/ library > for > higher VC versions in the same installation. This might face OS hick ups > though once the OS upgrades. But then you can decide on a deprecation time > as per the market. > > Much easier than Compile, Compile, and again Compile. Do not know what > resources will be needed sitting here. > > TnR, > Ganesh > > On Sun, Jul 1, 2012 at 7:08 PM, Ganesh Bhat <ganeshsurfs@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Hello, >> >> Tried contacting Mr Pierre over chat, but hard luck. I have been going >> through the documentation and some email conversation archives and saw >> that >> pecl4win might not come up again. Sad. I had three pointers to check >> with >> you. >> >> ** Here is a quick question? Is PHP 5.x compatible across, for VC9 or >> VC6 ( VC9 backward compatibility for VC6 compiled files); when it comes >> to >> usage of PECL extensions for Windows compilation? I presume this is >> going >> to be an eternal issue, if there is no backward compatibility. >> Especially >> when the coding will move to VC2010 or higher someday. >> >> ** The museum link has list of compiled PECL .dlls (almost all, when a >> systematic check of all *.zip files were made). Possibly VC6. To put a >> direct question, will the PHP 5.3.x/5.4.x VC9 compilation allow >> functioning >> of PECLs 5.2.6 VC6 compiled (and vc6/vc9 distribut-able installed >> accordingly), without crash downs or errors? Not using PHP VC9 but would >> like to know before upgrading to VC9. >> >> ** Here is a quick suggestion. Recommend updating links/ files or rather >> have a common permanent Windows development link and needed library >> repository/ svn link, whatever is needed, along with detailed >> installation >> process. Must say that the installation documentation for Windows needs >> some serious detailed visuals or rather "Better Explanation" and >> "Updated >> LINKs of development libraries" that have upgraded and where the main >> libraries websites are already using the VC2010v, like ICU. It was just >> a >> mess getting through. PECL or PHP Development documentation or its >> initiation is not detailed. Needs one I guess. >> >> TnR, >> Ganesh Bhat >> >