Re: Re: CVS ACL's have been activated
| From: | Manuel Lemos | Date: | Mon, 08 Jan 2001 08:17:58 +0000 |
| Subject: | Re: Re: CVS ACL's have been activated | ||
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Hello Zak,
On 08-Jan-01 04:09:34, you wrote:
>> > I have looked at SourceForge code plenty. And no we won;t be moving to
>> > it.
>>
>> Wow! That's was quickest denial that I got from you to yet another
>> suggestion of mine! It seems that even other PHP developers were not
>> consulted!
> IIRC the core developers discussed this issue a few months ago.
But there was no public discussion. Maybe it was not worthy. Anyway, I
just can't stand the hipocrisy of a so called opened community that decides
things like a closed communist commitee.
>> I even asked you to take some time before saying no again. I
>> wonder if I have to use child psychology with you! Never mind! :-(
> Don't antagonize the man - that really won't get anyone further
> along. How would you have felt if I had written you recently stating
> that I would like you to use a different codebase for your form
> class?
At least I would ask why.
> You would probably tell me to piss off - and quite rightly so. :)
How many times I do that to people that show up voluntarily presenting
suggestions apparently to improve my work?
> Rasmus is amazingly terse. I know that many have expressed feelings
> that this makes him tough to handle at times - especially when you
> combine his communication style with the weight that he has in the
> community.
> However, despite his position, he is still subject to the same checks
> and balances that everyone else on this list is subject to.
> If someone steps out of line, then one or more of their peers
> (or betters) will call them on it or try to reason the issue with
> them.
Grown up people would not need that.
> Is Rasmus out of line on this issue - not in my opinion.
> Perhaps he could have saved your feelings by explaining his reasons,
> however I can guess that the reason that Rasmus is so damn curt is
> because he has *no* time.
When I have no time I don't even answer. He took less than 5 minutes to
send me a private message that I deliberately took to the public again
because I am fed up of being burned in public just because I raise
pertinent questions, especially regarding improving PHP development.
Sometimes I wonder why I still care.
These days I no longer program in PHP. I use a meta-programming
environment that can generates code in any language. The latest components
in the PHP Classes site are no longer in hand made PHP. Quietly I will be
moving to non-PHP specific development. Maybe I will dedicate more time to
Perl because it is more useful to my current job. I no longer have the
motivation to dedicate to this language. Things could have been different
but I was left out too many times. :-(
Regards,
Manuel Lemos
Web Programming Components using PHP Classes.
Look at: http://phpclasses.UpperDesign.com/?user=mlemos@acm.org
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