Re: Re: CVS ACL's have been activated

From: Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 08:17:58 +0000
Subject: Re: Re: CVS ACL's have been activated
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Hello Zak, On 08-Jan-01 04:09:34, you wrote: >> > I have looked at SourceForge code plenty. And no we won;t be moving to >> > it. >> >> Wow! That's was quickest denial that I got from you to yet another >> suggestion of mine! It seems that even other PHP developers were not >> consulted! > IIRC the core developers discussed this issue a few months ago. But there was no public discussion. Maybe it was not worthy. Anyway, I just can't stand the hipocrisy of a so called opened community that decides things like a closed communist commitee. >> I even asked you to take some time before saying no again. I >> wonder if I have to use child psychology with you! Never mind! :-( > Don't antagonize the man - that really won't get anyone further > along. How would you have felt if I had written you recently stating > that I would like you to use a different codebase for your form > class? At least I would ask why. > You would probably tell me to piss off - and quite rightly so. :) How many times I do that to people that show up voluntarily presenting suggestions apparently to improve my work? > Rasmus is amazingly terse. I know that many have expressed feelings > that this makes him tough to handle at times - especially when you > combine his communication style with the weight that he has in the > community. > However, despite his position, he is still subject to the same checks > and balances that everyone else on this list is subject to. > If someone steps out of line, then one or more of their peers > (or betters) will call them on it or try to reason the issue with > them. Grown up people would not need that. > Is Rasmus out of line on this issue - not in my opinion. > Perhaps he could have saved your feelings by explaining his reasons, > however I can guess that the reason that Rasmus is so damn curt is > because he has *no* time. When I have no time I don't even answer. He took less than 5 minutes to send me a private message that I deliberately took to the public again because I am fed up of being burned in public just because I raise pertinent questions, especially regarding improving PHP development. Sometimes I wonder why I still care. These days I no longer program in PHP. I use a meta-programming environment that can generates code in any language. The latest components in the PHP Classes site are no longer in hand made PHP. Quietly I will be moving to non-PHP specific development. Maybe I will dedicate more time to Perl because it is more useful to my current job. I no longer have the motivation to dedicate to this language. Things could have been different but I was left out too many times. :-( Regards, Manuel Lemos Web Programming Components using PHP Classes. Look at: http://phpclasses.UpperDesign.com/?user=mlemos@acm.org -- E-mail: mlemos@acm.org URL: http://www.mlemos.e-na.net/ PGP key: http://www.mlemos.e-na.net/ManuelLemos.pgp --

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