Re: Lame support for win32 mail() function -rant

Ummm, ALSO, actually, in defense of Delphi, while it's not perfect, I haven't seen any of those problems you listed below, so obviously "in my opinion", you're full of crap. Maybe you would have to be a hobbyist or wanna be lamer to get those kinds of errors!! md wrote: > Hello Delphi programmer! > > Here is a description of the wonderful world of Delphi.... > > ------------------------------------------------------ > > An exception has occurred at 0x333F248A in Kernel32.DLL. > > YOURAPP.EXE has caused a general fault. > > Would you like to continue? YES or NO > > ------------------------------------------------------- > > Logical questions to the complement the above win32 problem follow... > > ------------------------------------------------------- > > Is your customer happy that they had to answer this question during > normal business hours? YES or NO > > Is your customer happy that they had to answer this question after > normal business hours? YES or NO > > Is your customer happy that they had to answer this question on the > weekend? YES or NO > > Is your customer happy that they had to answer this question during the > holiday? YES or NO > > Does your customer know what a general fault is? YES or NO > > Does your customer feel motivated to write you a check to pay for > services rendered > after receiving a general fault is? YES or NO > > Did you tell the customer that it would never happen again? YES or NO > > Were you able to capture a stack trace in TD32? YES or NO > > Were you able to capture a stack trace on a program that died yesterday? > YES or NO > > Is TD32 an ultimately effective Borland debugger? YES or NO > > Can TD32 accurately resolve symbol names for Service Pack 3 of Windows > NT.4.0? YES or NO > Can TD32 accurately resolve symbol names for Service Pack 4 of Windows > NT.4.0? YES or NO > Can TD32 accurately resolve symbol names for Service Pack X of Windows > NT.4.0? YES or NO > > Does it help to rebuild the VCL with debug information including > system.pas and sysutil.pas? YES or NO > > Does it help to rebuild the .ASM components of the VCL with debug > information using TASM? YES OR NO > > Do you spend more time writing code than you do fretting about problems > at the customer site? YES or NO > > Do you spend more time selling your product than engineering for > different flavors of Win32? YES or NO > > Are you happy as a Delphi Programmer after your customer forgot about > you? YES or NO > > ------------------------------------------------------- > > Happy debugging! > > joel@intwebservices.com wrote: > > > > I'm a pascal, delphi programmer so forget about c. > > > > Problem with the Win32 closed source thing you mentioned is that for this > > particular problem: > > win32/sendmail.c is not really a win32 problem but a php sendmail.c problem. > > > > A C problem in win32/sendmail.c is not win32 problem. > > > > So all you "PHP is better than ASP hypsters" get to work! > > lol > > > > PHP is ok for some problem solving but obviously ASP is better than PHP in > > the long run because of BETTER SUPPORT! :) > > > > At 01:42 AM 5/22/01 -0400, you wrote: > > >Michael & Joel: > > > > > >Here is a rant for both of you. > > > > > >Joel, Win32 is buggy no matter what flavor and you cannot fix the > > >problem or isolate problems > > >because it is closed source. (I bet poorly written source at that - like > > >MFC garbage) > > > > > >Linux has bugs, but you have the "opportunity" of fixing what you want > > >to. Don't complain about > > >the mail( ) bug, get off your duff and fix it. Or create a simple > > >workaround and keep moving forward. > > >Or hire those supposed win32 developers with your own funds and "do it > > >right" according to your desires. > > > > > >Your mail rant does not even suggest you have tried fixing the bug. Not > > >everything will be done for you. But the spirit > > >of the open source community will at least offer ideas and advice on how > > >to go about fixing it. > > > > > >Oops, I'm sorry, Win32 is closed source. Your problems will only get > > >solved by sheer luck. And tons of trial and error. > > > > > >I believe that Win32 worshippers should be responsible for maintaining > > >the port to Win32 > > >and that Unix (linux) oriented types should focus on nothing but unix > > >and not waste > > >time considering the portability to Win32. Let the Win32 types create an > > >interface layer back > > >to Win32 if they want PHP4.x badly enough. > > > > > >PHP is suffering time delays due to supporting Win32, it should support > > >unix first, win32 as an after effort by > > >a trailing Win32 team (which will never be able to keep up with true > > >open source pace) > > > > > >Michael, since you hate all the aforementioned OS's, but each seems to > > >have its usefulness in some fashion, > > >what OS do you actually like? > > > > > >End of rant. > > > > > >Mark Diener > > >a battle scarred Win32 soldier... > > >who defected to linux...to allow the wounds to heal... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Michael Loftis wrote: > > > > > > > > win32 support is and always has been admittedly lacking. I personally > > > don't > > > > take it serious as a web serving platform, I have seen any number of sites > > > > hit the wall hard when it comes to scaling with Win32 based > > > platforms. It's > > > > suitable for testing and development maybe but not deployment. > > > > > > > > PHP has made best-effort to port to a badly screwed up platform. If > > > you have > > > > a problem with the win32 port then work on it, submit patches. Thats > > > how the > > > > open source model works. > > > > > > > > Sorry that your experience with PHP has been less than ideal. I'm not > > > an OS > > > > bigot either, I freely hate Linux, and even BSD, Mac too, and Windows. I > > > > believe though that each is right in certain areas. > > > > > > > > joel@intwebservices.com wrote: > > > > > > > > > Well I feel the need for another rant. > > > > > > > > > > <rant start> > > > > > > > > > > I reported several times about the bugs in the win32 mail() function. > > > > > Over a year ago too. > > > > > > > > > > Well it looks like all the response that was given to it was about in the > > > > > nature of "don't know nothin about it 'cause I'm into > > > > > linux". > > > > > > > > > > If you want to port to Windows you could at least get some win32 > > > > > programmers to do it right. > > > > > > > > > > <rant over.> > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > PHP Development Mailing List > > > > > <http://www.php.net/> > > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: php-dev-unsubscribe@lists.php.net > > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: php-dev-help@lists.php.net > > > > > To contact the list administrators, e-mail: php-list-admin@lists.php.net > > > > > > > > -- > > > > PHP Development Mailing List > > > > <http://www.php.net/> > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: php-dev-unsubscribe@lists.php.net > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: php-dev-help@lists.php.net > > > > To contact the list administrators, e-mail: php-list-admin@lists.php.net > > -- > PHP Development Mailing List <http://www.php.net/> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: php-dev-unsubscribe@lists.php.net > For additional commands, e-mail: php-dev-help@lists.php.net > To contact the list administrators, e-mail: php-list-admin@lists.php.net