Re: Lame support for win32 mail() function -rant

Could we take this offline now already? - Stig [joel@infowar.com] > Ummm, ALSO, actually, in defense of Delphi, while it's not perfect, I > haven't seen any of those problems you listed below, so obviously "in > my opinion", you're full of crap. > > Maybe you would have to be a hobbyist or wanna be lamer to get those > kinds of errors!! > > > > > md wrote: > > > Hello Delphi programmer! > > > > Here is a description of the wonderful world of Delphi.... > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > > > > An exception has occurred at 0x333F248A in Kernel32.DLL. > > > > YOURAPP.EXE has caused a general fault. > > > > Would you like to continue? YES or NO > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Logical questions to the complement the above win32 problem > >follow... > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Is your customer happy that they had to answer this question during > >normal business hours? YES or NO > > > > Is your customer happy that they had to answer this question after > >normal business hours? YES or NO > > > > Is your customer happy that they had to answer this question on the > >weekend? YES or NO > > > > Is your customer happy that they had to answer this question during > >the holiday? YES or NO > > > > Does your customer know what a general fault is? YES or NO > > > > Does your customer feel motivated to write you a check to pay for > >services rendered after receiving a general fault is? YES or NO > > > > Did you tell the customer that it would never happen again? YES or > >NO > > > > Were you able to capture a stack trace in TD32? YES or NO > > > > Were you able to capture a stack trace on a program that died > >yesterday? YES or NO > > > > Is TD32 an ultimately effective Borland debugger? YES or NO > > > > Can TD32 accurately resolve symbol names for Service Pack 3 of > >Windows NT.4.0? YES or NO Can TD32 accurately resolve symbol names > >for Service Pack 4 of Windows NT.4.0? YES or NO Can TD32 accurately > >resolve symbol names for Service Pack X of Windows NT.4.0? YES or NO > > > > Does it help to rebuild the VCL with debug information including > >system.pas and sysutil.pas? YES or NO > > > > Does it help to rebuild the .ASM components of the VCL with debug > >information using TASM? YES OR NO > > > > Do you spend more time writing code than you do fretting about > >problems at the customer site? YES or NO > > > > Do you spend more time selling your product than engineering for > >different flavors of Win32? YES or NO > > > > Are you happy as a Delphi Programmer after your customer forgot > >about you? YES or NO > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Happy debugging! > > > > joel@intwebservices.com wrote: > > > I'm a pascal, delphi programmer so forget about c. > > > > > > Problem with the Win32 closed source thing you mentioned is that > > >for this particular problem: win32/sendmail.c is not really a win32 > > >problem but a php sendmail.c problem. > > > > > > A C problem in win32/sendmail.c is not win32 problem. > > > > > > So all you "PHP is better than ASP hypsters" get to work! lol > > > > > > PHP is ok for some problem solving but obviously ASP is better > > >than PHP in the long run because of BETTER SUPPORT! :) > > > > > > At 01:42 AM 5/22/01 -0400, you wrote: > > > >Michael & Joel: > > > > > > > >Here is a rant for both of you. > > > > > > > >Joel, Win32 is buggy no matter what flavor and you cannot fix the > > > >problem or isolate problems because it is closed source. (I bet > > > >poorly written source at that - like MFC garbage) > > > > > > > >Linux has bugs, but you have the "opportunity" of fixing what you > > > >want to. Don't complain about the mail( ) bug, get off your duff > > > >and fix it. Or create a simple workaround and keep moving > > > >forward. Or hire those supposed win32 developers with your own > > > >funds and "do it right" according to your desires. > > > > > > > >Your mail rant does not even suggest you have tried fixing the > > > >bug. Not everything will be done for you. But the spirit of the > > > >open source community will at least offer ideas and advice on how > > > >to go about fixing it. > > > > > > > >Oops, I'm sorry, Win32 is closed source. Your problems will only > > > >get solved by sheer luck. And tons of trial and error. > > > > > > > >I believe that Win32 worshippers should be responsible for > > > >maintaining the port to Win32 and that Unix (linux) oriented > > > >types should focus on nothing but unix and not waste time > > > >considering the portability to Win32. Let the Win32 types create > > > >an interface layer back to Win32 if they want PHP4.x badly > > > >enough. > > > > > > > >PHP is suffering time delays due to supporting Win32, it should > > > >support unix first, win32 as an after effort by a trailing Win32 > > > >team (which will never be able to keep up with true open source > > > >pace) > > > > > > > >Michael, since you hate all the aforementioned OS's, but each > > > >seems to have its usefulness in some fashion, what OS do you > > > >actually like? > > > > > > > >End of rant. > > > > > > > >Mark Diener a battle scarred Win32 soldier... who defected to > > > >linux...to allow the wounds to heal... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Michael Loftis wrote: > > > > > win32 support is and always has been admittedly lacking. I > > > > >personally > > > > don't > > > > > take it serious as a web serving platform, I have seen any > > > > >number of sites hit the wall hard when it comes to scaling with > > > > >Win32 based > > > > platforms. It's > > > > > suitable for testing and development maybe but not deployment. > > > > > > > > > > PHP has made best-effort to port to a badly screwed up > > > > >platform. If > > > > you have > > > > > a problem with the win32 port then work on it, submit patches. > > > > >Thats > > > > how the > > > > > open source model works. > > > > > > > > > > Sorry that your experience with PHP has been less than ideal. > > > > >I'm not > > > > an OS > > > > > bigot either, I freely hate Linux, and even BSD, Mac too, and > > > > >Windows. I believe though that each is right in certain areas. > > > > > > > > > > joel@intwebservices.com wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Well I feel the need for another rant. > > > > > > > > > > > > <rant start> > > > > > > > > > > > > I reported several times about the bugs in the win32 mail() > > > > > >function. Over a year ago too. > > > > > > > > > > > > Well it looks like all the response that was given to it was > > > > > >about in the nature of "don't know nothin about it > > > > > >'cause I'm > > > > > >into linux". > > > > > > > > > > > > If you want to port to Windows you could at least get some > > > > > >win32 programmers to do it right. > > > > > > > > > > > > <rant over.> > > > > > > > > > > > > -- PHP Development Mailing List > > > > > > <http://www.php.net/> To > > > > > >unsubscribe, e-mail: php-dev-unsubscribe@lists.php.net For > > > > > >additional commands, e-mail: php-dev-help@lists.php.net To > > > > > >contact the list administrators, e-mail: > > > > > >php-list-admin@lists.php.net > > > > > -- PHP Development Mailing List > > > > > <http://www.php.net/> To > > > > >unsubscribe, e-mail: php-dev-unsubscribe@lists.php.net For > > > > >additional commands, e-mail: php-dev-help@lists.php.net To > > > > >contact the list administrators, e-mail: > > > > >php-list-admin@lists.php.net > > -- PHP Development Mailing List > > <http://www.php.net/> To > >unsubscribe, e-mail: php-dev-unsubscribe@lists.php.net For additional > >commands, e-mail: php-dev-help@lists.php.net To contact the list > >administrators, e-mail: php-list-admin@lists.php.net > > > -- > PHP Development Mailing List <http://www.php.net/> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: php-dev-unsubscribe@lists.php.net > For additional commands, e-mail: php-dev-help@lists.php.net > To contact the list administrators, e-mail: php-list-admin@lists.php.net > -- Stig Sæther Bakken <ssb@fast.no> Fast Search & Transfer ASA, Trondheim, Norway