Re: Lame support for win32 mail() function -rant

lol, if you don't want an email back then don't email me to start with! lol Ding dongs like you probably is what's wrong with PHP. Only want to hear nice siren songs about how glorious php is over sound of BUGS BUGS BUGS and more BUGS! At 11:11 AM 5/22/01 +0200, you wrote:

Cut this crap now. I'm sick of it. And don't e-mail be back. On Tue, 22 May 2001 joel@intwebservices.com wrote: Yes I do breath fire, but only to put fire under you lazy PHP developers! lol Why so hostile? Because I have a major php application that works with mail() ! And I did have to program a work around for the idiotic stupid failures of that function! Why so hostile? Because I reported that bug over a year ago and still nobody fixed it. Only replys that say "I dunno nothing about it" or to fix it myself. Why so hostile? Because Mail() is a major VERY important function of the internet. E-MAIL! Get it? Why is E-MAIL important? DUH! Why so hostile? Because why am I the only one who thinks this is important!? And no I am not in my early 20's but thanks for the compliment. Actually I'm probably older than you in body years but maybe not in mind years! ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------ You tend to breath fire when you speak. Look around you. Why so hostile? I guess you are close to your early early 20's because "wanna be lamer" is mixed slang usage. "Wanna be" a pseudo noun preceding an adjective "lamer", yet the adjective is promoted to a noun in this context and the noun is flipped to an adjective. Most twentysomethings feel proud that they are earning more money than they have earned in the past and pride typically prompts advertising. You feel motivated to point out that your compensation is very strong while those associated with linux must be working for little or nothing because the cumulative efforts of many could never amount to anything of significance. I riddle you and speculate that as you read this now, you are guessing that I am a washed out AT&T Unix type. Probably aged somewhere in my forties using more traditional english framing than the contemporary terms you have offered in your messages. Have a great memorial day, my flight leaves shortly. joel@infowar.com wrote: Ummm, ALSO, actually, in defense of Delphi, while it's not perfect, I haven't seen any of those problems you listed below, so obviously "in my opinion", you're full of crap. Maybe you would have to be a hobbyist or wanna be lamer to get those kinds of errors!! md wrote:

Hello Delphi programmer! Here is a description of the wonderful world of Delphi.... ------------------------------------------------------ An exception has occurred at 0x333F248A in Kernel32.DLL. YOURAPP.EXE has caused a general fault. Would you like to continue? YES or NO ------------------------------------------------------- Logical questions to the complement the above win32 problem follow... ------------------------------------------------------- Is your customer happy that they had to answer this question during normal business hours? YES or NO Is your customer happy that they had to answer this question after normal business hours? YES or NO Is your customer happy that they had to answer this question on the weekend? YES or NO Is your customer happy that they had to answer this question

during the

holiday? YES or NO Does your customer know what a general fault is? YES or NO Does your customer feel motivated to write you a check to pay for services rendered after receiving a general fault is? YES or NO Did you tell the customer that it would never happen again? YES or NO Were you able to capture a stack trace in TD32? YES or NO Were you able to capture a stack trace on a program that died

yesterday?

YES or NO Is TD32 an ultimately effective Borland debugger? YES or NO Can TD32 accurately resolve symbol names for Service Pack 3 of Windows NT.4.0? YES or NO Can TD32 accurately resolve symbol names for Service Pack 4 of Windows NT.4.0? YES or NO Can TD32 accurately resolve symbol names for Service Pack X of Windows NT.4.0? YES or NO Does it help to rebuild the VCL with debug information including system.pas and sysutil.pas? YES or NO Does it help to rebuild the .ASM components of the VCL with debug information using TASM? YES OR NO Do you spend more time writing code than you do fretting about

problems

at the customer site? YES or NO Do you spend more time selling your product than engineering for different flavors of Win32? YES or NO Are you happy as a Delphi Programmer after your customer forgot about you? YES or NO ------------------------------------------------------- Happy debugging! joel@intwebservices.com wrote:

I'm a pascal, delphi programmer so forget about c. Problem with the Win32 closed source thing you mentioned is that for

this

particular problem: win32/sendmail.c is not really a win32 problem but a php sendmail.c

problem.

A C problem in win32/sendmail.c is not win32 problem. So all you "PHP is better than ASP hypsters" get to work! lol PHP is ok for some problem solving but obviously ASP is better than

PHP in

the long run because of BETTER SUPPORT! :) At 01:42 AM 5/22/01 -0400, you wrote:

Michael & Joel: Here is a rant for both of you. Joel, Win32 is buggy no matter what flavor and you cannot fix the problem or isolate problems because it is closed source. (I bet poorly written source at that -

like

MFC garbage) Linux has bugs, but you have the "opportunity" of fixing what

you want

to. Don't complain about the mail( ) bug, get off your duff and fix it. Or create a simple workaround and keep moving forward. Or hire those supposed win32 developers with your own funds and

"do it

right" according to your desires. Your mail rant does not even suggest you have tried fixing the

bug. Not

everything will be done for you. But the spirit of the open source community will at least offer ideas and advice

on how

to go about fixing it. Oops, I'm sorry, Win32 is closed source. Your problems will

only get

solved by sheer luck. And tons of trial and error. I believe that Win32 worshippers should be responsible for

maintaining

the port to Win32 and that Unix (linux) oriented types should focus on nothing

but unix

and not waste time considering the portability to Win32. Let the Win32 types

create an

interface layer back to Win32 if they want PHP4.x badly enough. PHP is suffering time delays due to supporting Win32, it should

support

unix first, win32 as an after effort by a trailing Win32 team (which will never be able to keep up with

true

open source pace) Michael, since you hate all the aforementioned OS's, but each

seems to

have its usefulness in some fashion, what OS do you actually like? End of rant. Mark Diener a battle scarred Win32 soldier... who defected to linux...to allow the wounds to heal... Michael Loftis wrote:

win32 support is and always has been admittedly lacking. I

personally

don't

take it serious as a web serving platform, I have seen any

number of sites

hit the wall hard when it comes to scaling with Win32 based

platforms. It's

suitable for testing and development maybe but not deployment. PHP has made best-effort to port to a badly screwed up

platform. If

you have

a problem with the win32 port then work on it, submit

patches. Thats

how the

open source model works. Sorry that your experience with PHP has been less than

ideal. I'm not

an OS

bigot either, I freely hate Linux, and even BSD, Mac too, and

Windows. I

believe though that each is right in certain areas. joel@intwebservices.com wrote:

Well I feel the need for another rant. <rant start> I reported several times about the bugs in the win32 mail()

function.

Over a year ago too. Well it looks like all the response that was given to it was

about in the

nature of "don't know nothin about it 'cause I'm into linux". If you want to port to Windows you could at least get some

win32

programmers to do it right. <rant over.> -- PHP Development Mailing List <http://www.php.net/> To unsubscribe, e-mail: php-dev-unsubscribe@lists.php.net For additional commands, e-mail: php-dev-help@lists.php.net To contact the list administrators, e-mail:

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