At 21:24 9/7/2001, Rasmus Lerdorf wrote:
I'm talking about real-world cases of developers who stopped
contributing or were afraid to contribute because of your sucky,
condescending attitude.
Uh? I don't recall a single instance of Sascha scaring someone off.
Well, I do. Two, as a matter of fact. Lots of stuff happens on IRC and not the mailing lists, you know.
I frankly didn't see a personal attack from Sascha on you here. He
doesn't want to contribute his code under the Zend License. I see nothing
personal about this decision of his.
I wasn't talking about his decision, I was talking about the way he spoke. Sascha may be a bright kid, but his manners are horrible. Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder - you have to strongly ignore the way he wrote his letter in order not to consider it as a personal attack.
So what options does he have?
Should he then just not try to work on aspects of PHP he thinks are
important to work on and sit around and wait for you to do it? This
doesn't make much sense to me. He should be allowed to play in whatever
sandbox he wants and if we can accomodate him without making a mess of
things, we should try.
He can play in whatever sandbox he likes, as long as he doesn't mess up the kindergarten. If Sascha's way of making a point goes through breaking the logic of PHP's structure, then Sascha should find a different path of doing this. We have a certain existing situation right now, and as I said in the meeting, the license won't change this instant just because Sascha wants it to change this instant. Much like we didn't add bcmath until we got the license issue fixed, we now also have a license issue, that may be solved when either Sascha gives up, or the Zend Engine license changes. Finding a technical work around that adds some spaghetti code to PHP is not a valid solution.
So please stop with the personal attacks and
concentrate on the real technical issues.
I'd appreciate it if you stayed out of this one. I'm fed up with Sascha's attitude towards me and other developers, and decided it was time to point that issue out.
Zeev