RE: [PHP-DEV] PHP's vision

I agree 100% with Rasmus I also agree with what Björn said regarding roadmaps Best regards, Lukas Smith smith@dybnet.de _______________________________ DybNet Internet Solutions GbR Reuchlinstr. 10-11 Gebäude 4 1.OG Raum 6 (4.1.6) 10553 Berlin Germany Tel. : +49 30 83 22 50 00 Fax : +49 30 83 22 50 07 www.dybnet.de info@dybnet.de > -----Original Message----- > From: Rasmus Lerdorf [mailto:rasmus@php.net] > Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 4:50 PM > To: Björn Schotte > Cc: php-dev@lists.php.net > Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP's vision > > I have heard this argument a couple of times now. It basically boils down > to, "PHP is too easy to use which means that non-programmers end up > writing bad code and this hurts PHP". I find this argument not only > stupid, but extremely offensive. PHP enables people to bring their ideas > to life even if they know nothing, or very little, about programming. > Stating that this somehow detracts from PHP is nuts! This is the ultimate > success of PHP and the one thing I am most proud of. > > Like the optometrist I met in Australia who had written a complete > optometrist office management system in PHP. It handled all his patient > records, stored retinal photos, handled billing, etc. This guy was an eye > doctor, not a programmer. Obviously a bright guy, but as he explained to > me, he really did not have time to work out how to use other "more > complex" solutions. He could figure PHP out. And yes, looking at his > code, there were a lot of problems, but the point is that he was able to > use his unique knowledge to build a tool that solved his problem. Stating > that the language should be obfuscated to not allow the eye doctor to > build this application is absolutely insane. No "programmer" out there is > going to know what requirements an optometrist has. You need people with > specialized knoweledge to write specialized software. Providing a tool > that broadens the size of the pool of specialists able to do this can only > be a good thing. > > If all software was written by programmers we would only have Mandelbrot > and prime number generators. > > -Rasmus > > On Mon, 3 Jun 2002, [iso-8859-1] Björn Schotte wrote: > > > Hi Jani, > > > > > Any examples? Is PHP too easy to use? :) > > > I find that hard swallow. It's one of the main features > > > why I am using PHP. > > > > Yep, but IMHO it's also one of its main 'bugs' in > > the sense of lacking its image. > > > > Web designer, Photoshoppers and every "allrounder" > > in small to mid-sized web companies gets an order > > from his chief "Here you are, we have to do 'dynamic' > > web sites. Make this with PHP." - although the photoshopper > > doesn't know how to program at all. So we see questions > > arising on the mailing lists and newsgroups regarding > > "How do I print something on my web site with PHP?". And > > because these people seem to be the majority in these > > mailing lists (not only mailing lists especially for PHP > > but for "internet working" in general), most suits and > > other mailing list subscribers think "Oh what the hell, > > PHP is only suitable for small applications like guest > > books". > > > > Of course one can prove and promote the opposite by > > providing advanced tutorials etc., but this is IMHO > > like grist for the mill. I don't have a solution at > > all and for now, but that's only what I could observe > > in the last year(s). > > > > Regarding the roadmap: I think a "roadmap" like "Expect > > new features A, B, C and D in the next three months stable > > working" (as already mentioned) would be a great advance. > > Something which canalizes the work. > > > > Just my 0,02 EUR, Björn. > > > > -- > > PHP Development Mailing List <http://www.php.net/> > > To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php > > > > > -- > PHP Development Mailing List <http://www.php.net/> > To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php