Re: Iteration III: Packages (was Re: [PHP-DEV] [Initial Feedback] PHP User Modules - An Adaptation of ES6 from JavaScript)
| From: | Mike Schinkel | Date: | Mon, 01 Jul 2024 21:57:50 +0000 |
| Subject: | Re: Iteration III: Packages (was Re: [PHP-DEV] [Initial Feedback] PHP User Modules - An Adaptation of ES6 from JavaScript) | ||
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> On Jul 1, 2024, at 4:54 PM, Jordan LeDoux <jordan.ledoux@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, Jul 1, 2024 at 11:09 AM Mike Schinkel <mike@newclarity.net
> <mailto:mike@newclarity.net>> wrote:
>
> > and I'm fairly certain after keeping up with the thread that it is almost universally
> > not what people want. Most people just want the toolbox be "finished" so to speak, not get
> > a completely new one in addition that has no compatibility with the old one.
>
> I get it. I am no longer proposing an alternative to the autoloader. PHP developers are
> comfortable with autoloading and that is that.
>
> But that does not mean that I cannot tell you and others the emperor has no clothes in hopes
> that people eventually see that there can be better alternatives.
>
> -Mike
>
> I'm not sure that constantly reiterating a point that everyone already knows but simply
> disagrees with is productive for the list, considering that the objection boils down to "but I
> don't like it" instead of "here are the concrete technical drawbacks". All of
> the objections you had seemed to be from the perspective "but what if the developer is only
> allowed 100 files on disk and only uses notepad to edit the code?" I don't think those are
> technical drawbacks personally, I think those are developers that need to at least start programming
> like they are living in 2005.
Given the paragraph I wrote that started with "I get it..." I was planning on not making
comment on topic.
> All of the objections you had seemed to be from the perspective "but what if the
> developer is only allowed 100 files on disk and only uses notepad to edit the code?" I
> don't think those are technical drawbacks personally, I think those are developers that need to
> at least start programming like they are living in 2005.
However, since you GROSSLY mischaracterized my argument, I am going to call you out on that bit of
attempted demonization of my argument on your part.
But I won't repeat the argument because, why bother?
-Mike