Re: Versioned Packagers (Iteration IV)

> On Jul 10, 2024, at 2:56 AM, Jordan LeDoux <jordan.ledoux@gmail.com> wrote: > > On Tue, Jul 9, 2024 at 11:42 PM Mike Schinkel <mike@newclarity.net > <mailto:mike@newclarity.net>> wrote: > [snip] > My one useful takeaway from your email — except that I already knew that — was the need to > figure out how PHP can handle multiple symbol tables. Beyond that, your take your own advice and > spare us (me) from your contempt and condescension as they are not good looks on anyone. > > While Larry was very blunt (and I don't really fault him for that either), that should not > be your only takeaway. The short version was that he was telling you, and the other people in this > thread, to stop pontificating and to do something that resembles developing/researching a solution. Why support a claim that assumes I have not been developing/researching a solution when you have absolutely no knowledge of what I have been doing? (I have in-fact been researching and developing a PoC. Full time for the past week, actually.) > A lot of the people who actually have experience working on the engine are literally ignoring > this conversation right now (and may come back to it next month) because it's just too much > noise and nonsense right when we're near feature freeze. > > Your focus and intent to drive this discussion towards trying to duplicate composer reduces its > usefulness. I get that you do not like PSR-4/composer/whatever. I honestly cannot wade through the > 15,000-ish words you've sent in these threads to nail down the specifics. But I know for a fact > that an attempt to redesign composer is: You claim "my focus and intent" is to "duplicate composer" and yet you claim you "honestly cannot wade through the 15,000-ish words?" If you haven't read my email, then how exactly do you know what my focus and intent has been? In fact, my focus and intent has *not* been to duplicate composer. FULL STOP. But since I already fully explained my focus and intent then — other than the fact you didn't read it — it would do a disservice to everyone to repeat it. > 1. Orthogonal to PHP modules (they have nothing to do with each other from a design > perspective). > 2. Doomed to failure. > > Your one useful takeaway, that Larry gave you specific steps for, is to focus on the feature > the original proposer of the thread was trying for, instead of continuing to derail it into > composer-related nonsense. If you wanted to quiet a thread that obviously annoys you for some reason it would seem the last thing you to do is immediately knee-jerk a reply with three (3) different straw man accusations — each of which can easily be disproven by reading my email to which you replied — when just ignoring the email was your option. -Mike