Re: Let's make a 5.7 release
| From: | Thomas Nunninger | Date: | Sat, 16 Aug 2014 09:09:58 +0000 |
| Subject: | Re: Let's make a 5.7 release | ||
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On 08/16/2014 12:52 AM, Pierre Joye wrote:
On Sat, Aug 16, 2014 at 12:49 AM, David Soria Parra <dsp@php.net> wrote:On 2014-08-15, Pierre Joye <pierre.php@gmail.com> wrote: <snip>
Just a heretical question from someone who has no clue about PHP core: What speaks against having PHP 8 one or two years after PHP 7? I like the idea of - having PHP 5.7 introducing deprecation warnings without additional features (and perhaps some cleanings regarding the spec?) - full concentration on PHP 7 regarding phpng (including AST & co) and cleanings according to the spec. - PHP 8 with other improvements that are currently planed for PHP 7. (Perhaps it's even possible to introduce most deprecation warnings of planned changes for 8 in 7 and 5.7.) Regarding adoption: Agile teams/projects are able to follow the path from 5.6 to 5.7 (if needed) up to 7 and 8. Slow teams/projects can migrate from 5.6 to 5.7 "easily" and later to 8. Adoption to PHP 7 would not be a KPI of the PHP project. Regarding branch maintenance: Support for 5.7 could be extended and for 7 could be shortened if announced early enough (latest at GA of 7.0). Regarding PHP project's project management: That would be release early, release often. Of course, extensions need to be changed twice for PHP 7 and 8 - but the amount of changes should be almost the same. A side note regarding the spec: I would not waste time to write/discuss a formal spec that describes all oddities of 5.6/7 or force 5.6/7 to follow a spec too much. The perspective of the spec is PHP 7 that is the first version where compliance to the spec is needed. (Probably Facebook has other plans. But I think one year to get it right on both sides - the spec and the implementation - is totally ok.) Regards ThomasLet me summerize a few things that have come up: (1) phpng doesn't justify PHP7 It does. It's a complete new engine. It has performance improvements. Where do you draw the line of what justifies a PHP 7? It's a major BC break and we needd a major version for itNo it does not. Even if it would do, that's not something I can live with in the next 10 years. As I repeatedly said, with explanations why.