RE: [PHP-DEV] PHP 7.0.0 final RTM delay

Hi Sebastian, > -----Original Message----- > From: Sebastian Bergmann [mailto:sebastian@php.net] > Sent: Thursday, December 3, 2015 6:51 AM > To: internals@lists.php.net > Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 7.0.0 final RTM delay > > Am 02.12.2015 um 09:42 schrieb Anatol Belski: > >> Do the Windows builds have to be available immediately when the > >> sources of PHP 7.0.0 are released? > > Yes. > > > http://git.php.net/?p=php-src.git;a=blob;f=README.RELEASE_PROCESS > currently reads > > "Ensure that Windows builds will work before packaging" > > in the "General notes and tips" section and then later in the "Rolling a stable > release" section > > "Once the release has been tagged, contact the PHP Windows > development team (internals-win@lists.php.net) so that Windows > binaries can be created." > > I do not think that this means that the release of the source tarball must wait > for the availability of the Windows binaries. > In fact, step 2g of "Getting the stable release announced" explains what to do > when the Windows binaries are not available at the time of release. > > Please do not get me wrong: I appreciate what Microsoft in general and you, > Anatol, as well as Pierre in particular have done for PHP. > But no vendor -- neither Microsoft nor Red Hat nor whoever else rolls binary > distributions of PHP -- should have the power to delay a release in my opinion. > Thanks for your notes. I lean on the current practice, which is indeed continues already for some years, that we deliver the whole set of packages prior the release announcement. The RELEASE_PROCESS document is unfortunately not 100% in sync with everything. But indeed I cannot remember a case where a release were done without the care about the eco system. Particularly Windows packages are being linked directly from the release announcement for a while. Users know that and depend explicitly on us telling - release ready, you can use it. Lucky RedHat users have Remi's repo then :) At the end of the day, the release is made for the users. Most of users won't even think about building from sources. It would sound really weird to send a release which is unavailable to big mass of them today, even for a release with less importance. And especially with the 7.0.0 matter, where people was telling they'll even take it right at the day zero. But even if not - doing so would move some of users into the second class suddenly, quite rightless. I would just ask for some patience, as mentioned before - today by UTC the announcement is going out. It is still December 3rd as planned. That's why I was sending the awareness about the late UTC afternoon today. Thanks Anatol