Re: Internals and Newcomers and the Sidelines (WAS: Adopt Code of Conduct)

On Mon, 2016-01-11 at 22:46 -0500, John Bafford wrote: > So let's say, hypothetically, internals actually, seriously, wants > newcomers. Back in the days when I was more active when teaching newcomers internals in articles and conferences I typically pointed them to pecl-dev for the first discussions and contributions. There one can work on extensions in a more relaxed environment on less controversial topics and newcomers get to know some others and some technical constraints. Mind that discussions on internals have a huge impact - changes to the language lead to a long tail over other changes, practices change, tools have to change, code might break. Also people have different emotional attachment to the language and the way it works. A change might be a break on what sees as the foundation (most notably to see in the type hints discussions) And then there is the case that there are topics which come up again and again ... And then I think most of the topics are on a technical and productive level. Attention however goes to the heated debates on "hot" topics. If an external observer sees only those the view certainly is different than when reading each topic. johannes

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