Re: Internals and Newcomers and the Sidelines -- "let's proceed to ideas"

Hi Stas, Sorry for the follow up but I only noticed this after I woke up this morning. Amusing irony! In this instance, I tried to make a technical argument about language and you picked up the wrong end of the stick and blew up out of proportion because I didn't choose words that make clear me purpose. If I can get a smile out of Internals, I just gotta take it. That's all. I have to concentrate on other things today. Tom On 1/13/16, 6:46 PM, "Stanislav Malyshev" <smalyshev@gmail.com> wrote: >Hi! > >> Right now I can call out your last paragraph. But before I do, remember >> John's point about perception versus reality. I go further. With respect >> to what goes down on a list-serv, there is only perception and nothing >> else matters. The following characterizations may seem wrong to you but >>if > >I don't think it's right. This is basically claiming the right to deny >reality. Of course, each person has the right to be delusional, but if >we each operate on basis of our own delusions without basis in reality, >I don't see how collaboration would be possible. > >> wrong. But unless you did, "and still have no answer" is an accusation >>of >> me and/or John of being delinquent in answering it. > >No, it's not. It is trying to get us from venting bad feeling to looking >for solution - in which I failed miserably, evidently. You can build a >narrative of being offended and attacked out of anything, if you are >determined to do so. This, however, is an unproductive and >nonconstructive behavior, which will never find any solutions and >improve anything. > >I however would submit it presents an excellent example of the danger of >enforcing such vague and subtle things as "perception" and "atmosphere". >One can blow literally *anything* out of proportion and present it as an >attack and an insult, even if nothing like that was ever meant. > >> However, I am not sure this was your purpose. 1. thru 6. also suggest >>your > >My purpose was to start constructive process of producing ideas and >finding solutions, if there was a will to cooperate on that. So far my >impression is there's none. OK then, moving on to code fixes. > >-- >Stas Malyshev >smalyshev@gmail.com