Re: Re: Internals and Newcomers and the Sidelines (WAS: Adopt Code of Conduct)

On 13/01/16 05:33, Zeev Suraski wrote: > It's the divisive RFCs that are the key source of the contention on internals, and any > solution that won't strongly discourage them is not going to solve the problem. There needs to > be something built into the system that makes RFC authors not only strive for majority, but strive > for consensus. I seem to recall part of the debate on requiring a simple majority was that a consensus SHOULD be achieved before opening voting, and the need for a 2/3rds majority was to help that. The reality is that there are some areas such as STD and Exceptions where there is still not a consensus that this is the right way to take PHP and while both have made progress in PHP7 and have to be lived with, they are not the natural progression for a large group of users. It will be interesting to see if STD comes into general use or is always switched off, but the replacement of error_return style of programming with exception only style is more of a hot potato still? Killing '@' seems to be a slippery slop to having to get away from error_return style altogether? The lack of a general acceptable direction seems to be what is missing? But I still don't recognise 'threatening behaviour' as a problem in any of these debates ... perhaps that is just me being think skinned ... -- Lester Caine - G8HFL ----------------------------- Contact - http://lsces.co.uk/wiki/?page=contact L.S.Caine Electronic Services - http://lsces.co.uk EnquirySolve - http://enquirysolve.com/ Model Engineers Digital Workshop - http://medw.co.uk Rainbow Digital Media - http://rainbowdigitalmedia.co.uk