Re: Why change require_once? A brief explanation of motives

On 7/18/07, Pádraic Brady <padraic.brady@yahoo.com> wrote:

It's the RFC that needs editing - and external FAQ isn't as powerful as inline explanations backing up every RFC proposal with both pros and cons. We also need benchmarks to prove any assertions the RFC editors intend making - the whole APC issue looks very dodgy to me until someone comes up with numbers to prove one way or the other. It would be preferable to see benchmarks based on a real PEAR package. Same for using autoload in various circumstances/configurations - userland __autoload() only, multiple autoload SPL stack, etc. I think the discussion isn't really achieving anything until these are produced. My 2c ;).

I'm absolutely in agreement on this, and have been asking for these for a week now, with no response from any of the RFC authors. Greg, Arnaud, and whoever else helped create the draft: could you please either create such benchmarks and/or delegate this task to others? The benchmark code should be packaged so others may grab it and verify the results. Additionally, they should be done using the most recent versions of PHP and APC available; testing against old versions makes no sense if the performance issues have been fixed in recent versions. After such benchmarks have been done to everyone's satisfaction, *then* we can evaluate whether they support the conclusions posted in the original draft.

----- Original Message ---- From: Lukas Kahwe Smith <mls@pooteeweet.org> To: Sebastian Mendel <lists@sebastianmendel.de> Cc: pear-dev@lists.php.net Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 12:54:23 PM Subject: Re: [PEAR-DEV] Why change require_once? A brief explanation of motives Sebastian Mendel wrote: see any advantage at all! i do not see more flexibility! - sorry omg .. running in circles .. I guess the next time we need to make sure that there are people on both sides documenting all these reoccurring questions, concerns etc. I guess we all failed to make documenting the discussion a priority. Anyways, as it seems we will be running in circles endlessly without a decision, I might as well stop here until I have assembled the motivation to go through the thread and build an FAQ out of it.

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