Re: Req #14853 [Bgs->Opn]: Change license from php to (new) bsd

On Sun, Apr 5, 2009 at 1:45 PM, Craig Constantine <cconstantine@php.net> wrote: > Hi Till, > [I'm cc'ing Pear QA since we seem to be at an impasse] > > Email does not provide a reliable way of identifying the authors. We are > talking about changing a license. I thought my idea [asking authors to add a > comment to the bug stating their affirmation] was a tidy little solution > since all the authors do have pearweb accounts. > > I caution against relying on email as a means for the authors to relinquish > their rights to the software, and I wouldn't take responsibility for > changing the license with only affirmation via email. Thus, it's my opinion > that the license should not be changed at this time. Hey, I found Kai, I'll point him to this thread. The idea is, a) as Helgi pointed out if you are marked inactive, you don't receive the bug emails, b) you can always CC e.g. pear-qa@ on an email to a contributor which should give you credibility, c) the mailing list also helps in case you don't get a hold of people right away. E.g. it took me 5 minutes last night to find Kai on xing.com and I'll point him to this thread and then you can move on and get the work done. So far no one ever objected to giving their "+1" via email. It's fast and it's convenient. Are you concerned someone hijacks it? Cause if that email to someone is hijacked, they may also log into the bug tracker and agree on there. My 2 cents, Till > Bigger picture... > > Does anyone know of any pear documentation or pepr proposals which detail > procedures or requirements for a license change? > > Would a short pepr proposal be useful? Then it would be resolved, and the > process would be formalized for all future instances. > > thoughts? > -craig > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Re: [PEAR-DEV] Re: [PEAR-BUG] Req #14853 [Bgs->Opn]: Change license >         from php to (new) bsd > From: till <klimpong@gmail.com> > To: Craig Constantine <cconstantine@php.net> > Date: Sat Apr  4 12:53:50 2009 > >> Hey Craig, >> >> it's a lot easier to email people to request a comment via email and >> then be done with it. And it works too. In the end CC pear-qa@ and >> it'll be on the Internets for forever and the license change is >> "legit". >> >> No need to make people who don't contribute actively go on the bug >> tracker. ;-) I know, in a perfect world they would. >> >> If you're still missing Kai, I could see if I can find him in Berlin. >> Let me know. >> >> Till >> >> On Sat, Apr 4, 2009 at 1:25 PM, Craig Constantine <cconstantine@php.net> >> wrote: >>> >>> I disagree with you. >>> >>> The original feature request was posted by a 3rd party. I suggested the >>> methodology of having each author post a comment. We had the conversation >>> about the license via email, and included pear-dev. I also, twice, >>> directly >>> emailed all the authors. After six months, noone other than myself had >>> posted a comment agreeing. >>> >>> >>> -------- Original Message -------- >>> Subject: [PEAR-BUG] Req #14853 [Bgs->Opn]: Change license from php to >>> (new) >>> bsd >>> From: helgith@gmail.com >>> To: craig@constantine.name, pear-bugs@lists.php.net >>> Date: Fri Apr  3 20:53:46 2009 >>> >>>> Edit report at >>>> http://pear.php.net/bugs/bug.php?id=14853&edit=1 >>>> >>>>  ID:               14853 >>>>  Updated by:       helgith@gmail.com >>>>  Reported By:      dam at venturin dot net >>>>  Summary:          Change license from php to (new) bsd >>>> -Status:           Bogus >>>> +Status:           Open >>>>  Type:             Feature/Change Request >>>>  Package:          Net_Ping >>>>  Operating System: Any >>>>  Package Version:  2.4.3 >>>>  PHP Version:      Irrelevant >>>>  Roadmap Versions:  New Comment: >>>> >>>> -Status: Bogus >>>> +Status: Open >>>> >>>> Craig, I would like to point out that Jan, Martin and Thomas have all >>>> agreed to the license change. Only Kai is left. >>>> >>>> Have you tried contacting any of them privately ? Since bug reports are >>>> not sent out to people marked inactive. >>>> >>>> Going to reopen this for now. (btw this one should have been closed >>>> with won't fix instead of bogus given the reasons you gave.) >>>> >>>> >>>> Previous Comments: >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>> >>>> [2009-04-02 10:20:23] damko >>>> >>>> That's so sad. It's a kind of lost for the open source community. >>>> Anyway, thanks for the support >>>> >>>> Cheers! >>>> >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>> >>>> [2009-04-01 17:10:35] cconstantine >>>> >>>> -Status: Open >>>> +Status: Bogus >>>> >>>> Sorry, but your problem does not imply a bug in PEAR itself.  For a >>>> list of more appropriate places to ask for help using PEAR, please >>>> visit http://pear.php.net/support/ as this bug >>>> system is not the >>>> appropriate forum for asking support questions. >>>> Thank you for your interest in PEAR. >>>> >>>> mandatory comment here. >>>> >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>> >>>> [2009-04-01 17:09:46] cconstantine >>>> >>>> This obviously isn't going anywhere. Marking it "won't fix" and >>>> closing >>>> >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>> >>>> [2008-10-23 10:39:10] cconstantine >>>> >>>> I agree to this license change. >>>> >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>> >>>> [2008-10-23 10:38:11] cconstantine >>>> >>>> The proposed new License is the new BSD license: >>>> >>>>  http://www.opensource.org/licenses/bsd-license.html >>>> >>>> This change would also be in agreement with the latest PEAR dev >>>> guidelines >>>> on licensing: >>>> >>>>  http://pear.php.net/manual/en/developers.contributing.php >>>> >>>> The Net_Ping package authors are as follows. If each of these authors >>>> posts an affirmative comment on this feature request, then I will change >>>> the >>>> license and update the package appropriately. >>>> >>>>  Martin Jansen <mj@php.net> >>>>  Tomas V.V.Cox <cox@idecnet.com> >>>>  Jan Lehnardt  <jan@php.net> >>>>  Kai Schroeder <k.schroeder@php.net> >>>>  Craig Constantine <cconstantine@php.net> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>> >>>> The remainder of the comments for this report are too long. To view >>>> the rest of the comments, please view the bug report online at >>>>   http://pear.php.net/bugs/bug.php?id=14853 >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> PEAR Development Mailing List (http://pear.php.net/) >>> To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php >>> >>> >> >