Re: Re: downloads...genuine?

On 8/26/05, Manuel Lemos <mlemos@acm.org> wrote: > Hello Wez, > > on 08/26/2005 12:28 AM Wez Furlong said the following: > > Manuel, geez, did you get out of the wrong side of bed or what? > > No, did you? ;-) > Hey, put that gun down! You would just be shooting the messenger! ;-) There was no gun here. > Wez, I understand that you rightfully take yourself pretty much as the > father of PECL, so for me it is natural that you are very sensitive to > the subject of awareness of PECL and its projects. Not especially sensitive, but your comments were basically saying that PECL sucks and that someone should spend money to advertise it. Both points are not really true. > OTOH, I honestly wish that the PHP community really started cooperating > effectively, instead of jumping on this "lets nuke each other attitude". > A lot of opportunities will be wasted otherwise. Right, so the day that you actually submit a patch to peclweb (or any part of the PHP project) with that in mind will herald a new era of cooperation for PHP. > Sure, my point is that Matthew seems to have created high expectations > on those unreliable statistics, when I believe that in fact nobody is > giving him any feedback about his package. No, Matthew is simply asking if those high numbers are accurate, because he had had no feedback. He didn't create any expectations; you read it completely wrong. > > On 8/25/05, Manuel Lemos <mlemos@acm.org> wrote: > >> I know that Zend is paying to advertise PECL > Maybe if you worked closely to Zend marketing department you would > probably know. > > I have seen PECL ads in Google Adwords ads in several popular PHP sites. I read all my pecl related mail via gmail, and have never ever seen anything advertising PECL in the adwords to the right (unless the PECL project now includes various types of chips and circuit boards). If such ads do exist, they are not "official". > Nobody is insulting anybody here. I disagree; If I were Matthew and I didn't know you, surely I'd feel really insulted by your comments so far. > It does not matter whether there is > time and people willing to work on the problems, if there is nobody that > first brings up the problems and propose solutions. This is what I think > I am doing as positive to help. I hope you no longer have any difficulty > to realize that. I (and many others) only have difficulty with your attitude; we certainly do appreciate constructive criticisms, but we appreciate patches to correct problems even more than a continual stream of negativity. The pecl web site is in CVS; show some good will for a change and send us a patch that fixes the problems you've identified. (note that I don't disagree with your points, just in the way that you're putting them across). --Wez.