Re: Re: PHP|QA Member Names in phpinfo()

James Moore wrote: > Hola > > > Not to discount anyone's contribution to PHP and the QA effort - but > > if you did not catch any of the messages that discussed this issue, > > where were you? :) > > Did we not make enough noise when we posted this?? Oh well people are > squeeling now so maybe we can sort somthing. We posted a longish series of messages to the dev and qa mailing lists. I would say that people had fair warning. > I do feel that being a member of the QA Team is more than just provding > builds etc for win32 or whatever (That is not to dis http://www.php4win.de > which is a great idea and works very well, I thank you for that) I am ok with a team member just doing one thing. That is much better than the current state of things. :) > But it requires some time outside of the release process too wether that is > trawling manual for notes (as many people do especially Zak recently) or > tracking down difficult bugs or checking and verifying bug reports etc (More > of this once I have most of the bug system inplace, it will be matching QA > Members with bugs etc and asking you to verify them, it will also encourage > strongly example scripts from submitters so dont worry it shouldnt up > workload very much and this is still optional, nobody is forcing you to be > here but if you want to be part of the team it requires some work, if you > are away for a while then fine NP but tell everyone (or at least those who > read php-qa =))). How is the bug system going anyway? > > Actually, this thread brings up a few issues that have been bugging me > > lately. The biggest issue has been team participation: Is it is too > > much to expect that the QA team members will read and respond to the > > paltry amount of messages on the QA list?[1] I know that almost > > everyone on the team is busy, but how long does it take to send a > > message saying that you are busy? > > Hmm I dont read messages that dont have interesting subjects.. perhaps I > should consider all messages with [PHP-QA] interesting =) I just read all of them - usually, there are only one or two threads every few days. > > I think that everyone's hope for the QA team was to have a dedicated > > group of people working individually or in small teams on tackling the > > problems involved in creating and maintaining an effective QA process > > for PHP. Some people do this - they take on one or more aspects of QA > > and devote time to it regularly. I feel that others like the idea of > > being part of the QA team, but rarely respond when the call goes out > > for help, feedback or testing. > > If you read the top paragraph of the PHP QA page: > > The PHP/QA Team is a small group of developers whose primary goal is to > support the PHP core developers by providing them with timely quality > assurance. > > Perhaps we should focus on this more, Release process is one thing and yes > it requires a lot of work.. most of which will be automated soon {Zak :)}, > but there are also other issues, Personally I like win32 (Dont say anything) > especially ISAPI so try to watch bugs on IIS related issues, 90% of the bugs > are not that important but once in a while one comes up which I think > definatly needs fixing, I think its part of the QA Teams job to then pick a > developer who knows the code and hassle them until they look at fixing it... > for ISAPI this is normally Zeev but I think its worth while picking a few > bits and bobs and focusing on them rather than just thinking Well theres no > release going on I dont need to do anything. [snip] Exactly! We should not have to wait for one of the developers to poke us with a stick. There are lots of things that can be done. > > I know that everyone involved in this is a volunteer and that work, [snip] > I agree but having said that if you want to be a member rather than a > supporting member not that it really matters then you should at least be > doing some of this work, having your name in the PHP Credits shows that you > have done some work, I dont think it should be automatic, Yes its a small > thing having your name in the credits but its an insentive.. Having said > that I have more free time than most being a student and all ;) +1 > > [2] Even providing active feedback would be welcome. Personally, I > > find it unnerving to cast my thoughts out into the ether, and not even > > hear an echo in reply. > > There you go Zak.. probably got more than you asked for but these are just > my drunken rambling thoughts.. > ignore them if you want, its probably best too.. Thanks James! --zak