RE: [SMARTY-DEV] Is Smarty using PHP output buffering?

It's fine to use OB, but I still don't think it's up to Smarty to turn it on for the user. There are a lot of ways to speed up pages using output buffering, but, per the manual: http://www.php.net/manual/en/function.ob-gzhandler.php "Also note that using ini.zlib.output_compression is preferred over ob_gzhandler()." If you feel really strongly about the benefits of Smarty + OB, then I think a section should be added to the Tips and Tricks which explains output buffering, why it's good, what options are ideal, and how to do it. Even put notes in http://smarty.php.net/manual/en/installing.smarty.basic.php pointing to the appendix and recommend OB is turned on at the same time a smarty object is created. Tom -----Original Message----- From: luis [mailto:luis@fuegolabs.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 3:16 PM To: 'Monte Ohrt' Cc: 'Tom Anderson'; 'Smarty Dev' Subject: RE: [SMARTY-DEV] Is Smarty using PHP output buffering? I think it's worth comparing the degradation when using OB in conjuction with mod_gzip versus the improvement of using it. If we have App foo without OB: 3 secs App foo with OB: 2.5 secs App foo with gzip without OB: 2.25 secs APP foo with gzip with OB 2.30 secs Then the case for using OB is strong. > -----Original Message----- > From: Monte Ohrt [mailto:monte@ispi.net] > Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 6:12 PM > To: luis > Cc: 'Tom Anderson'; Smarty Dev > Subject: RE: [SMARTY-DEV] Is Smarty using PHP output buffering? > > > There is a disadvantage, it was just mentioned. Those using > mod_gzip on the Apache level see a performance degrade > because the output gets buffered twice. In my tests I see a > very slight performance degrade when using OB in combination > with mod_gzip. Is suppose a property could be added > $use_output_buffering that forced OB on a display() call, but > the same can be accomplished with echo fetch(), or turn on OB > in php.ini to get the benefits across the board. > > Monte > > On Tue, 2003-05-06 at 16:05, luis wrote: > > I can't understand how OB falls outside te scope of Smarty > "except of > > fetch". If fetch uses OB and is faster than display and there're no > > bad side-effects then display should use OB too. > > If we discover some disadvantages in using OB I'll > inmediately retreat > > the proposal just don't say "it's outside the scope of > smarty" improving > > is never outside the scope of Smarty. > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Tom Anderson [mailto:toma@etree.org] > > > Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 5:47 PM > > > To: smarty-dev@lists.php.net > > > Subject: RE: [SMARTY-DEV] Is Smarty using PHP output buffering? > > > > > > > > > I really think global output buffering for smarty is a bad idea. > > > For instance, it would slow down a server which has mod_gzip > > > installed. Doing buffering in php and in apache, as mod_gzip > > > would, is just using more memory than needed. > > > > > > I don't think turning on/off output buffering through a smarty > > > function is right either. Except in the case of fetch(), output > > > buffering falls outside the scope of Smarty. > > > > > > Tom > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: luis [mailto:luis@fuegolabs.com] > > > Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 2:38 PM > > > To: 'Thomas Schulz'; smarty-dev@lists.php.net > > > Subject: RE: [SMARTY-DEV] Is Smarty using PHP output buffering? > > > > > > > > > I disagree. If OB is faster then Smarty should use OB > > > transparently to the user/developer. It's not fair to ask a > > > developer to fetch when there's a display method based on > > > performance issues. The two methods should do the same internally, > > > the semantic difference is whether the method outputs the content > > > or not. > > > > > > --- > > > Luis Argerich ( ) ASCII Ribbon Campaign > > > http://tikiwiki.sourceforge.net X against HTML > > > on email > > > "There's no spoon" / \ and Usenet posts > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Thomas Schulz [mailto:ths@4bconsult.de] > > > > Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 5:23 PM > > > > To: smarty-dev@lists.php.net > > > > Subject: RE: [SMARTY-DEV] Is Smarty using PHP output buffering? > > > > > > > > > > > > Monte Ohrt schrieb in php.smarty.dev: > > > > > > > > > I just ran a test on our CMS front page, gzip enabled, no > > > > > caching. > > > > > > > > > > display() --> 1.724 secs/page > > > > > echo fetch() --> 1.751 secs/page > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > I think gzip does some output buffering... > > > > > > > > When I render the main template of my application, that > > > includes some > > > > other templates and plugins (which fetch other templates) I get > > > > these results: > > > > > > > > display() --> 0.65 secs/page > > > > echo fetch() --> 0.38 secs/page > > > > > > > > But I think there is nothing to change in Smarty. If a > > > programmer want > > > > to have full control over output-buffering, he can use > fetch()... > > > > > > > > Thomas. > > > > > > > > -- > > > > http://4bconsult.de > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Smarty Development Mailing List (http://smarty.php.net/) To > > > > unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Smarty Development Mailing List (http://smarty.php.net/) To > > > unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Smarty Development Mailing List (http://smarty.php.net/) To > > > unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php > > > > -- > Monte Ohrt <monte@ispi.net> > > > -- > Smarty Development Mailing List (http://smarty.php.net/) > To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php >