Re: [SMARTY-DEV] Is Smarty using PHP output buffering?

IMHO, OB is something the developer should decide to use or not to use I mean... it's zero work to do ob_start(); and ob_end_flush(); in scripts... David ----- Original Message ----- From: "luis" <luis@fuegolabs.com> To: "'Monte Ohrt'" <monte@ispi.net> Cc: "'Tom Anderson'" <toma@etree.org>; "'Smarty Dev'" <smarty-dev@lists.php.net> Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 11:15 PM Subject: RE: [SMARTY-DEV] Is Smarty using PHP output buffering? > I think it's worth comparing the degradation when using OB in conjuction > with mod_gzip versus the improvement of using it. > If we have > App foo without OB: 3 secs > App foo with OB: 2.5 secs > App foo with gzip without OB: 2.25 secs > APP foo with gzip with OB 2.30 secs > Then the case for using OB is strong. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Monte Ohrt [mailto:monte@ispi.net] > > Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 6:12 PM > > To: luis > > Cc: 'Tom Anderson'; Smarty Dev > > Subject: RE: [SMARTY-DEV] Is Smarty using PHP output buffering? > > > > > > There is a disadvantage, it was just mentioned. Those using > > mod_gzip on the Apache level see a performance degrade > > because the output gets buffered twice. In my tests I see a > > very slight performance degrade when using OB in combination > > with mod_gzip. Is suppose a property could be added > > $use_output_buffering that forced OB on a display() call, but > > the same can be accomplished with echo fetch(), or turn on OB > > in php.ini to get the benefits across the board. > > > > Monte > > > > On Tue, 2003-05-06 at 16:05, luis wrote: > > > I can't understand how OB falls outside te scope of Smarty > > "except of > > > fetch". If fetch uses OB and is faster than display and there're no > > > bad side-effects then display should use OB too. > > > If we discover some disadvantages in using OB I'll > > inmediately retreat > > > the proposal just don't say "it's outside the scope of > > smarty" improving > > > is never outside the scope of Smarty. > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Tom Anderson [mailto:toma@etree.org] > > > > Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 5:47 PM > > > > To: smarty-dev@lists.php.net > > > > Subject: RE: [SMARTY-DEV] Is Smarty using PHP output buffering? > > > > > > > > > > > > I really think global output buffering for smarty is a bad > > > > idea. For instance, it would slow down a server which has > > > > mod_gzip installed. Doing buffering in php and in apache, as > > > > mod_gzip would, is just using more memory than needed. > > > > > > > > I don't think turning on/off output buffering through a > > > > smarty function is right either. Except in the case of > > > > fetch(), output buffering falls outside the scope of Smarty. > > > > > > > > Tom > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: luis [mailto:luis@fuegolabs.com] > > > > Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 2:38 PM > > > > To: 'Thomas Schulz'; smarty-dev@lists.php.net > > > > Subject: RE: [SMARTY-DEV] Is Smarty using PHP output buffering? > > > > > > > > > > > > I disagree. If OB is faster then Smarty should use OB > > > > transparently to the user/developer. It's not fair to ask a > > > > developer to fetch when there's a display method based on > > > > performance issues. The two methods should do the same > > > > internally, the semantic difference is whether the method > > > > outputs the content or not. > > > > > > > > --- > > > > Luis Argerich ( ) ASCII Ribbon Campaign > > > > http://tikiwiki.sourceforge.net X against > > > > HTML on email > > > > "There's no spoon" / \ and Usenet posts > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: Thomas Schulz [mailto:ths@4bconsult.de] > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 5:23 PM > > > > > To: smarty-dev@lists.php.net > > > > > Subject: RE: [SMARTY-DEV] Is Smarty using PHP output buffering? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Monte Ohrt schrieb in php.smarty.dev: > > > > > > > > > > > I just ran a test on our CMS front page, gzip enabled, no > > > > > > caching. > > > > > > > > > > > > display() --> 1.724 secs/page > > > > > > echo fetch() --> 1.751 secs/page > > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > > > I think gzip does some output buffering... > > > > > > > > > > When I render the main template of my application, that > > > > includes some > > > > > other templates and plugins (which fetch other templates) I get > > > > > these results: > > > > > > > > > > display() --> 0.65 secs/page > > > > > echo fetch() --> 0.38 secs/page > > > > > > > > > > But I think there is nothing to change in Smarty. If a > > > > programmer want > > > > > to have full control over output-buffering, he can use > > fetch()... > > > > > > > > > > Thomas. > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > http://4bconsult.de > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > Smarty Development Mailing List (http://smarty.php.net/) To > > > > > unsubscribe, visit: > > > > > http://www.php.net/unsub.php > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Smarty Development Mailing List (http://smarty.php.net/) > > > > To unsubscribe, visit: > > > > http://www.php.net/unsub.php > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Smarty Development Mailing List (http://smarty.php.net/) > > > > To unsubscribe, visit: > > > > http://www.php.net/unsub.php > > > > > > -- > > Monte Ohrt <monte@ispi.net> > > > > > > -- > > Smarty Development Mailing List (http://smarty.php.net/) > > To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php > > > > > -- > Smarty Development Mailing List (http://smarty.php.net/) > To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php >