Re: Candidate Info for Home Page

On 10/01/11 7:20 PM, Hannes Magnusson wrote:

On Sun, Jan 9, 2011 at 20:29, Ferenc Kovacs<info@tyrael.hu> wrote:

On Sun, Jan 9, 2011 at 8:23 PM, Hannes Magnusson <hannes.magnusson@gmail.com> wrote:

On Sun, Jan 9, 2011 at 20:23, Ferenc Kovacs<info@tyrael.hu> wrote:

On Sun, Jan 9, 2011 at 8:21 PM, Hannes Magnusson <hannes.magnusson@gmail.com> wrote:

On Sun, Jan 9, 2011 at 19:23, Ferenc Kovacs<info@tyrael.hu> wrote:

Bringing back the discussion to the list, didn't meant to do this off-list. On Sun, Jan 9, 2011 at 2:51 PM, Hannes Magnusson <hannes.magnusson@gmail.com> wrote:

Sure, there is a lot of work still to be done, but I think its valuable place for newcomers to see who are behind the project, and much more valuable then listing random companies who have no involvement at all.

Agree, but just for the record: I didn't suggested that we should list random companies who have no involvement at all. :)

There are no companies behind PHP. There are random individuals behind it. Some contributors do so on company time, but there is no company that is actually developing PHP. This list would then be a list of companies using PHP.. and where would you draw the line there? It will turn ugly very fast, and is imo not worth it.

Btw. what about Zend? :P

What about them?

I asked first. :) You said, that there is no company behind the project. That was repeated numerous times in the mailing list (that php is developed by a few inviduals and the community, in the spare time of the contributors, etc.), but I think that there are some clear overlappings between the two group (zend and the php contributors). Quoting from zend.com:

What companies say on their websites is irrelevant. The majority of contributors work on PHP in their spare time, but there are also bunch of companies that let their employees contribute to PHP on company time (and some even expect certain people too). That however does not mean that those companies are in control of PHP or have some sort of magical powers. They still have to go through the normal channels. Anyway. We obviously disagree here. So, find someone else thats interested in this and try pushing the votes in your favor. Then, if it works, just implement it. Hope you will be around to maintain it for the next years :] -Hannes

I think two things are undeniable here: - It is good for the project to be able to publicise successful projects built with PHP. - It is a nightmare actually choose which projects and maintain such a list. The question is which is greater. Does the benefit outweigh the cost? I think on balance I'm with Hannes and think not. Particularly in the case of PHP, which is already fairly well known--it won't take long for someone to find out about successful php projects if they're interested, and a lot of people probably came to the PHP site in the first place because they heard of a successful project. It's not a new kid on the block trying to prove something. IMHO. Ben.