Re: [RFC] Starting 5.3

Hello Andi, Friday, May 4, 2007, 9:55:23 PM, you wrote: > I think phar is a nice idea but honestly haven't had enough bandwidth to > check it out in more detail. Has there been some thorough analysis on > the performance impact of it and whether this is the optimal recommended > way for our users to distribute apps? The idea is actually very > interesting but we should be pretty certain we're doing the right thing > before we distribute it. We can spend some time looking at it in more > detail. You guys spent a good effort in such analysis in the past. Would be very nice to hear something in that direction from you. > Btw, it seems to me that because of the way Apache works for most of our > users it actually won't be that useful and just act like a .tar archieve > which needs to be extracted. This is unless the user implements some > kind of front controller. It would really be nice if we have the 99% > common Apache application use-case figured out and docuemnted before we > put our PHP dev team weight behind it. Or am I completely missing some > magic here? not at all. It perfectly works for includes. But i have no idea how to use it from a url directly...well you can provide some tricks. But i wouldn't recommend those. > Andi >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Marcus Boerger [mailto:helly@php.net] >> Sent: Friday, May 04, 2007 12:44 PM >> To: Stas Malyshev >> Cc: Edin Kadribasic; internals@lists.php.net >> Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] Starting 5.3 >> >> Hello Stanislav, >> >> - you don't need a tool - well php - but hey you probbaly >> have that tool >> - you can run phar archives out of the box - untouched >> - you can extract phar archives and run them - still untouched >> - you can provide phar archives that do not require a phar extension >> >> To your question "is phar so important that everybody needs >> it in the main source." I think the above means it should. >> >> best regards >> marcus >> >> Friday, May 4, 2007, 9:36:22 PM, you wrote: >> >> >> obsolete set of tools (autoconf-2.13, etc.). Having Phar >> in the main >> >> distro will open up a whole new way to distribute PHP applications >> >> which would be a great advantage. The current system of >> distributing >> >> a bunch of PHP files has some shortcomings. >> >> > I'm personally not sure phar is that great way of >> distributing apps - >> > it's yet another format not supported by standard tools and I don't >> > really see much of an advantage to using it versus just making a >> > package with any of the existing package formats and I see >> a number of >> > disadvantages - non-standard format, hard to work with >> packed scripts >> > with available filesystem tools, etc. But that's my opinion and I >> > fully expect some people to hold exactly the opposite opinion. The >> > question is however is phar so important that everybody >> needs it in the main source? >> > -- >> > Stanislav Malyshev, Zend Products Engineer stas@zend.com >> > http://www.zend.com/ >> >> >> >> >> Best regards, >> Marcus >> >> -- >> PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List To >> unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php >> >> Best regards, Marcus