Re: [RFC] Starting 5.3

On 5/4/07, Marcus Boerger <helly@php.net> wrote:

Hello Stanislav, Friday, May 4, 2007, 10:07:13 PM, you wrote:

- you don't need a tool - well php - but hey you probbaly have that tool

Yes, but they can't open it by any other standard system tool. I.e. you always need PHP - and of specific version - nope, there ispear/phar - perfectly compatible and runs on any version to work with this file. And I don't know how you expect all kinds of proven and widely used tools like mod_rewrite, .htaccess, etc. to work with phar-ed application. they most likely don't, it is designed for deployment and for running includes directly.

- you can run phar archives out of the box - untouched

You can't however see files there, edit files, copy files, etc. by any of the thousands of tools made by people to work with files. If need be, i'll write a windows-commander plugin :-)

Just to address your issue Stanislav, I have spoken with Marcus and I'm starting to write a little application with php-gtk to handle all type of operations with Phar's as such as: - Viewing the files in a phar - Adding files to a phar - Deleting files from a phar - Viewing the files themselves in a phar

- you can extract phar archives and run them - still untouched

To extract them, you again can use one and only one tool, which might not be available on the system you want to open the archive on. That's all consequences of inventing yet another separate packaging format on top of dozens already in existence. Java at least used existing format... pear install phar - or - pecl install phar - done oh wait the point is that pecl install doesn't work or is in 99% no option

- you can provide phar archives that do not require a phar extension

What do you mean, how? And if you can - why don't you always do so? Why do you need phar extension at all? slow? bigger? overhead?

To your question "is phar so important that everybody needs it in the main source." I think the above means it should.

Sorry, not clear to me how exactly it means so. There are a lot of extensions that live in PECL and do all kinds of interesting things - why phar is so special? Interesting and not maintained for the most. Sometimes working on one or the other very specific php version only. And often even without documentation. -- Stanislav Malyshev, Zend Products Engineer stas@zend.com http://www.zend.com/ Best regards, Marcus -- PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php

regards, David