Re: [VOTE] 64 bit platform improvements for string length and integer

On Sat, Feb 1, 2014 at 8:19 PM, Stephen Zarkos <Stephen.Zarkos@microsoft.com > wrote: > Hello, > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Ferenc Kovacs [mailto:tyra3l@gmail.com] > > > > On Sat, Feb 1, 2014 at 2:27 PM, Lester Caine <lester@lsces.co.uk> wrote: > > > > > > > > I see that the vote currently has swung from yes to no for including > > > in > > > 5.6 but actually there is no option to include it even in PHP6? The > > > improvement is required, needs proper planning because of the impact > > > on many third parties, and should be planned now on the basis of a new > > PHP6. > > > > > > > > Nobody said that if rejected this can't be considered for PHP6. > > On the contrary, many of the no voters explained that they would have > > voted yes if the target version would have been 6.0. > > This is not directed at you guys in particular, but this is just the > latest thread to mention PHP6 so I'll say it here. I know at least my team > is frustrated every time "why not PHP6?" is mentioned in this thread. > > There is no PHP 6. If there was this RFC would have had two simple > options; merge for PHP 6.0, merge for both 5.6 & 6.0. The justification > for the latter option being that 5.6+ would provide a more reasonable > upgrade path for 6. It may not be meant this way, but suggesting we merge > this into PHP6 simply sounds disrespectful. There's no point in targeting > some ethereal release, that's just a way of kicking this down the road so > it can be ignored for a little longer. Without a plan forward to a > release, even merging to Master is just another place for this to languish. > > And yes, I know there has been some (hopefully) serious discussion on PHP6 > recently, but that happens every year. Maybe it will happen this time? > IMHO, if PHP 5 has slipped happily into middle age and cannot fathom such > change anymore, then perhaps this community should create a roadmap to a > new branch where more progressive development can be realized. > > Thanks, > Steve > > I'm glad that you agree with me on the urgent need of a major release on the roadmap, otherwise changes which would be best to ship in a major version will be either discarded, or worse forced into a minor version: http://marc.info/?l=php-internals&m=138494774314060&w=4 Still, it feels a bit disrespectful to reply to my mails as if I would be the one who tries to sabotage this change through putting it into "some ethereal release". ps: I still don't think that it is a good thing to start to turning this into a "now or never" kind of decision. -- Ferenc Kovács @Tyr43l - http://tyrael.hu