RE: [PHP-DEV] [VOTE] [RFC] 2/3 vote needed (was: 64 bit platform improvements...)

A few things: - We’re talking about 66%, not %66+1 (i.e., 20 against 10 means a Yes, 19 against 10 means a no). - Nobody is arguing that language changes like annotations will be decided by ‘Core’. It’s open to everyone who has a right to vote according to the RFC process. Note that presently, people who are allowed to vote technically don’t actually have a right to vote based on the Voting RFC, which requires not only an SVN account, but also actual code contributions to the PHP project; This was a known issue when we rolled out the voting mechanism, but this limitation of the voting mechanism doesn’t change the who’s eligible to vote. - I am arguing (as well as a few others) that implementation changes – ones without a meaningful impact on the userbase at large, should be decided by the respective developers of the code portion in question. Annotations don’t fall under that category; Changing internal data structures does, and so does changing a documentation platform or implementation inside some PECL module. This isn’t simple to define but I’m going to try and draft something up, probably based on the the Karma assignment. Again, this will *not* impact people’s right to vote on the vast majority of RFCs out there, which are almost always about features and functions, and rarely about implementation. I still argue that the RFC process was never meant to be about implementation, it was so outside the scope of the RFC process that I didn’t even think about this possibility when I helped drafted it. Zeev *From:* guilhermeblanco@gmail.com [mailto:guilhermeblanco@gmail.com] *Sent:* Sunday, May 18, 2014 7:58 AM *To:* Kris Craig *Cc:* Daniel Convissor; Ferenc Kovacs; Zeev Suraski; Nikita Popov; PHP Internals *Subject:* Re: [PHP-DEV] [VOTE] [RFC] 2/3 vote needed (was: 64 bit platform improvements...) Hi, Let's reiterate this over... 66%+1 of voting members and not 66%+1 of core members. Is that right? I really want this to be fixed, because Annotations for 66%+1 of voting members, but not of core member and it got rejected. Just to make things sure... I don't wanna hear about meritocracy again. Cheers, On Sat, May 17, 2014 at 7:53 PM, Kris Craig <kris.craig@gmail.com> wrote: On Sat, May 17, 2014 at 6:30 AM, Daniel Convissor < danielc@analysisandsolutions.com> wrote: > Folks: > > On Wed, May 14, 2014 at 10:12:18AM +0200, Ferenc Kovacs wrote: > > I think it still mandates a 66%+1 vote. > > Agreed. This is a major change. > > Sincerely, > > --Dan > > -- > T H E A N A L Y S I S A N D S O L U T I O N S C O M P A N Y > data intensive web and database programming > http://www.AnalysisAndSolutions.com/ > > -- > PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List > To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php > > I agree that it should have been, but under the current language of the voting RFC, it can also be reasonably interpreted to call for a simple majority. The RFC author chose to go with simple majority and left it there. Trying to change the requirement mid-vote would be far more troubling, in my view. Instead, we should discuss clarifying that language in the voting RFC so that the interpretation is not so subjective in the future. --Kris -- Guilherme Blanco MSN: guilhermeblanco@hotmail.com GTalk: guilhermeblanco Toronto - ON/Canada