Re: Re: move PEAR to PHP 5-only?

From: Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2005 04:52:49 +0000
Subject: Re: Re: move PEAR to PHP 5-only?
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On 10/1/05, Greg Beaver <greg@chiaraquartet.net> wrote: > Justin Patrin wrote: > > On 10/1/05, Joe Stump <joe@joestump.net> wrote: > > > >>>I agree. Dropping support for PHP4 constitutes a BC break. Think of > >>>Joe Developer, who upgrades PEAR-1.4 to PEAR-1.5. Oops, PEAR breaks. > >>>This is what defines a BC break. > >> > >>No, it's not. A BC break is when the *API* changes, not when a > >>dependency changes. If this was the case then adding any new > >>dependency would constitute a BC break, which is just silly. As Greg > >>already stated the PHP5 version of PEAR won't install on a PHP4 system. > >> > > > > > > No, adding a new dependency is not a BC break, and no, changing your > > dependency to a newer version of a package is not a BC break, but > > you're all missing one very large problem. PHP is not a PEAR package > > and cannot be treated as such. > > > > Not only does PHP5 break BC, it *cannot* be used in conjunction with > > PHP4. PEAR's rules allow 2 versions of a package to be used in > > parallel. You can't do the same with PHP versions. > > eh? No, you cannot use DB_DataObject 1.7 and DB_DataObject 1.8 at the > same time in the same script. The point is that you can use > DB_DataObject 1.x and DB_DataObject2 2.x at the same time. > Yes, and PHP4 => PHP5 is a major version # switch, not a minor switch, and has some major BC breaking differences (especially if you want E_STRICT compliance). As such, moving to it can cause BC breaks. If your package depends on a package which breaks BC your package has implicitly broken BC. As I said before, PHP is not a PEAR package and as such can't be treated exactly the same. It's not a matter of upping a dependency to a newer, more secure, less buggy version. It's upping a dependency to a BC breaking version. > If PEAR 1.5.0 were to switch to PHP 4.3.0 and start using > file_get_contents(), it would not longer work alongside PEAR 1.4.0 in > PHP 4.2. This, however, is not a BC break. > No, but see above. PHP 4.2.0 => PHP 4.3.0 is not the same as PHP4 => PHP5. In addition, you didn't respond to my other point. The installer (and users) will be confused by 2 seperate stable release cycles within one package. -- Justin Patrin

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