Re: Re: revision to the standard that would make me happy

From: Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 22:22:11 +0000
Subject: Re: Re: revision to the standard that would make me happy
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> > >> So we don't lose any of the rigor, and gain flexibility. Does this > > >> modified sales pitch change your mind? :) > > > > > > I believe above stands as my answer. I'm happy to be swayed by a > > > majority of non-PEAR developers showing me how I'm wrong, though. > > > > ...and this is why regrettably I must say I can't support either the > > standard or its advocate, Travis, for re-election to PEAR Group. > > Someone making decisions for PEAR should be advocating *for* PEAR, not > > against it. > indeed. > All due respect Greg, I'm not sure why you are bringing an issue like that here saying: "I do not support Travis for the elections" when in fact the whole discussion is not posted with your email. I am not saying Travis is right and you are wrong, I am not saying you are right and Travis is wrong, but I firmly believe and in fact know how Travis has been trying to get PEAR and the PHP Community in general to evolve as a whole and for that I have to say that I support him for his courage but also dedication in trying to get the open source projects together to make a better PHP world. I have stayed silent in the discussion so far and I think this is a good time to step in. I am not always in agreement with Travis's ideas or ways of doing things, in fact I think there's a bit of diplomacy to be added in some emails (Both from you and him) but the fact that someone is trying to move things towards a general standard that would actually not be "built to accomodate PEAR" but built to accommodate the PHP Community using previous experiences from PEAR and some great input from a large community with many years of experience is very good. I do not mind if you guys have disagreements on certain points, but comments like that are in my opinion plain spam-like and you shouldn't slash in public for a disagreement over a standard. Of course you can write a blog post or tweet about it or whichever media, but I strongly believe that personal issues should be resolved either privately but not on the project mailing list. I'd be happy to moderate any quarrels you guys might have and in fact try to bring down the tension that has been present over the past few weeks but please if you do disagree about something, post the whole story. I may be completely wrong but in my opinion, pear-dev shouldn't have that kind of messages and yes you may have different with some members but please try to resolve those issues between yourselves. Thank you very much, -- Slan, David

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