Re: FW: [PHP-DEV] Function caching...

At 21:46 9/12/2000, Kristian Koehntopp wrote:

Zeev Suraski wrote:

I think it will kill PHP if you take away any (great) possibility to

evolve I agree, except Kristian is talking about a revolution, not evolution. I don't. Or maybe I do, regarding some internals of the language. If it is visible from the outside, the implementation would be a failure, though. Clearly the migration path should be as easy as possible: You should be able to take PEAR classes, phpmyadmin, PHPLIB, QuickCMS and things like that and install them in the application server execution model with no or minimal changes. This will not kill anything, if done right.

I think you underestimate how far you went with your revolution. Suddenly, you'd have to begin worrying about using too many variables or resources, because they'd never get cleaned/destroyed. I don't think any reasonable PHP application will work efficiently on that appserver you propose without serious rewrites. I'm not sure if you noticed, but the whole argument I have with you is whether this appserver should be PHP (or rather, the other way around). My answer is a clear and definite 'no'. It doesn't mean that such an appserver shouldn't exist. Call it FooHP. Call it Zend AppServer. Call it whatever you want, just don't say it's PHP, because it isn't. PHP should remain what it was, a scripting language for developing dynamic Web sites.

Of course, to take full advantage of the application servers advantages, you'd have to rewrite parts of these applications, but that is another issue.

As I mentioned, I think it's more like 'to make your applications run reasonably well, you'd have to rewrite large parts of it'.

Nobody is cutting anything here. I don't cut roots, and the current mod_php does not cut it when it comes to enterprise league application deployment.

To some extent you're right. It doesn't mean we should change mod_php though, as it fits the vast majority of usages other than those specific enterprise application requirements. Zeev -- Zeev Suraski <zeev@zend.com> CTO, Zend Technologies Ltd. http://www.zend.com/