Re: FW: [PHP-DEV] Function caching...

At 20:59 9/12/2000, Björn Schotte wrote:

* Zeev Suraski wrote: The two issues do not contradict each other. Ease of use is usually the primary concern for enterprise users, since ease of use means short time to market. That's true, but where are your arguments for the fullfillment of today's needs in big web applications that should be done with PHP _because_ of it's ease of use?

It's coming. I have no argument with you or Kristian as to whether additional functionality is needed. I just don't think it belongs in PHP, because putting it into PHP, will mean PHP will no longer be as useful as it was for many.

As I said numerous times today, hardware is cheap in comparison to manpower These are two pairs of shoes. I know about a product, www.mainchat.de, where one can build his own chat for free - they have >25.000 Chats with more than 250.000 users where more than 1000 users are synchronously online - 8 web servers, 4 DB servers and a PHP software load balancing server. But as you see, they used some "dirty hacks" they didn't have to do if we would have such nice things as Kristian wrote in his mail. Today's needs are not only a request-response model but also event based models -- with PHP.

Fine.

and short development time, so performance comes in second. That's not true. Please read Jakob Nielson on www.useit.com. Performance is an issue that _does_ _count_ today, especially for enterprise users (look at my mail where I stated the contract issues).

Did I say it's not an issue? Hardly. If I thought it's not an issue, I wouldn't have worked on making the Zend Engine as optimized as possible, the PHP modules as optimized as possible, and I wouldn't have worked on the Zend Cache. Of course it's an issue. But you have to play by the rules of the game, i.e., improve performance without hurting the ease of use.

Prove the contrary.

Zend will, but not because you 'command' me to, and not necessarily by following any dictations from anybody. Zeev -- Zeev Suraski <zeev@zend.com> CTO, Zend Technologies Ltd. http://www.zend.com/