Re: Integrating PHP into the workplace

Tyler Longren wrote: > Hello, > > I recently started a new part time job. It's a web development job. The > company runs off of ALL NT or 2000 boxen. I've been friends with the CEO > for quite a while, and have asked him many times when he's going to start > using some open source apps. He always laughs at me. > Doesn't sound like a very nice friend, imo. My friends don't laugh at me when I suggest using open source. (Even at a mainly NT shop I worked at). > > And the other day, I told my supervisor that php could solve a certain > problem she was having. Today, I ran into another problem that php could > have handled that regular HTML can't. > Comparing PHP to HTML doesn't make sense. Compare PHP against ASP. There's little one can do that the other can't. <flame suit on> The one advantage PHP has over ASP is that you can INCLUDE other PHP files. PHP handles it's own INCLUDES - ASP does NOT. > > My questions is, how should I go about getting that company to use SOME > open source? Their scripting language of choice right now is ASP. I'm > sure somebody has dealt with this type of thing before. > My suggestion is to not bother. If you really want to use open source stuff, go to another company, or start your own. Trying to convert people FROM windows, at an all MS company, will prove painful. There are most likely better uses of your time. Their scripting language of choice is ASP because that's what runs on NT - PHP isn't fully robust on Windows (fingers crossed for the near future), and other options often cost extra money. Why spend EXTRA money to do something that NT can do already, out of the box, integrated with their OS already. A better tack, imo, if you want to stay there and fight the battle, is cost. Starting comparing the cost of the OS for projects. If you have a project that is, say, 3 machines, 2 IIS and one SQL server, compare that cost to 3 beefed up linux, running postgres or mysql, and PHP. Minimum costs for 3 NT licenses and SQL7 would be http://www.microsoft.com/sql/productinfo/pricing.htm $3000 for SQL internet connector license (maybe you need SQL7 underneath that too? this is optimistic that it's only 3k). http://www.microsoft.com/windows2000/guide/server/pricing/pricingwindows.asp 3 x $999 for 'standard' W2k server. That's around $6000 in licensing for one project. Of course, it's not a HUGE amount, but it's not chump change either. Obviously the costs will be MUCH cheaper using Linux/PHP/etc, setup costs, anyway. The "TCO" argument will be thrown back at you, but argue that the money saved in NT licenses can be used for Linux training and support contracts. It sounds like a losing battle, however, if the CEO laughs at you. Obviously we're not getting the whole picture, but you sound like you'll be a fish out of water there, and probably be much happier someplace else where you get to use tools of your choice. > > Many thanks, > -- > Tyler Longren > [Web Development] > Premier Visual Services > http://www.pvs2000.com > > (Permier Visual Services is NOT that company, they're UNIX friendly). :) > > -- > PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) > To unsubscribe, e-mail: php-general-unsubscribe@lists.php.net > For additional commands, e-mail: php-general-help@lists.php.net > To contact the list administrators, e-mail: php-list-admin@lists.php.net -- ========================== Michael Kimsal http://www.tapinternet.com 734-480-9961