Re: RIP PHP 4?

On Wed, 11 Jul 2007 21:18:17 -0400, "David Coallier" <davidc@php.net> wrote: > On 7/11/07, Tijnema <tijnema@gmail.com> wrote: >> On 7/11/07, Jeff Griffiths <jeffg@activestate.com> wrote: >> > chris# wrote: >> > > On Tue, 10 Jul 2007 19:30:26 -0500, Larry Garfield > <larry@garfieldtech.com> wrote: >> > ... >> > >> The claim that is still repeated >> > >> that one "has to" rewrite everything to be OO in order to port to > PHP 5 >> > >> is, >> > >> quite simply, FUD. >> > >> > > True. But then again, what's the point of using 5 if you're not > inclined, or >> > > have the need to write OO apps? It is simply alot of wasted > language/ space >> > > and resources, as a whole. Hey! I don't need OO and I've already got > PHP4 >> > > installed. Why bother with 5 at all? >> > >> > There are a number of nice features in PHP5 that have nothing to do > with >> > actually creating your own classes or extending built-ins, such as > (off >> > the top of my head): >> > >> > - file_get_contents() >> PHP 4 >= 4.3.0, PHP 5 >> >> > - simplexml / DOM parsing / libxml2 >> > - json_encode|decode >> JSON PECL extension can be installed for PHP >= 4.3.0 >> >> > - stable APC >> > - SPL >> > - PDO ( although you can get it for 4.4, you can't depend on it being >> > there ) >> > - backwards compatibility with lots of procedural PHP4 code =) >> > >> > If you're writing an app that does a lot of json or xml parsing or >> > output, *even if you don't use the class keyword anywhere in your own >> > code* PHP5 is a better language than PHP4. Drupal is a great example > of >> > this because even though Drupal doesn't use classes, many Drupal devs >> > want to use PHP5 features in Drupal core. Right Larry? >> > >> > JeffG >> >> Except for the OO, I don't see anything that can't be done in PHP4, >> while it can be done in PHP5. Some workarounds are maybe needed, but >> it mostly doesn't require more than 10 lines of PHP code extra. >> > > file_put_contents (Probably the one you meant Jeff) > http_build_query > xslt* (yeah.. not xslt2.. still ;-) ) > streams (good ones) > > There are so many functions that have changed... here: > http://cvs.php.net/viewvc.cgi/pear/PHP_Compat/Compat/Function/ > > > > To reply to chris above there... yes you could have used any kind of > DOM in whatever browser and javascript, however, if you wanted to do > dom manipulation with php, you had to use the domxml pecl extension > (http://pecl.php.net/package/domxml) which was outdated from it's > first day (No offence to you chregu :P the extension was useful but > ugly and slow as a$$) > > What else.. I mean... seriously guys.. what the deuce ? Get over > php4.. yeah made us all win money.. but now make real applications.. > if you need to make simple func scripts, go ahead, you even have more > functions than ever.. Unfortunately my original point has become obscured by hair splitting. I was done with this "hair splitting" when I stated that I liked /both/ versions - each for different reasons. It's like a comment made earlier regarding the use of assembler. Consider the following... Assembler is fastest by far - at shifting bits. Can I use it to create and run web pages/applications? Yes. But just because it is the fastest language for shifting bits, doesn't make the best language for the web - unless you were making a web server with it (not out of it). I think that same analogy applies to both versions of PHP - one version is more suitable for one thing (your choice(s) here), and vise-a-versa. Or; while PHP5 allows you to manifest functionality, PHP4 allows you to tack it on. Thank you for taking the time to respond. > > > > >> Tijnema >> -- >> Vote for PHP Color Coding in Gmail! -> >> http://gpcc.tijnema.info >> >> -- >> PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List >> To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php >> >> > > > -- > David Coallier, > Founder & Software Architect, > Agora Production (http://agoraproduction.com) > 51.42.06.70.18 ///////////////////////////////////////////////////// Service provided by hitOmeter.NET internet messaging! .