Re: RIP PHP 4?

On Thu, 12 Jul 2007 11:04:53 +0200, Sebastian Mendel <lists@sebastianmendel.de> wrote: > chris# schrieb: >> >> >> On Wed, 11 Jul 2007 21:18:17 -0400, "David Coallier" <davidc@php.net> > wrote: >>> On 7/11/07, Tijnema <tijnema@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> On 7/11/07, Jeff Griffiths <jeffg@activestate.com> wrote: >>>>> chris# wrote: >>>>>> On Tue, 10 Jul 2007 19:30:26 -0500, Larry Garfield >>> <larry@garfieldtech.com> wrote: >>>>> ... >>>>>>> The claim that is still repeated >>>>>>> that one "has to" rewrite everything to be OO in order to >>>>>>> port to >>> PHP 5 >>>>>>> is, >>>>>>> quite simply, FUD. >>>>>> True. But then again, what's the point of using 5 if you're not >>> inclined, or >>>>>> have the need to write OO apps? It is simply alot of wasted >>> language/ space >>>>>> and resources, as a whole. Hey! I don't need OO and I've already >>>>>> got >>> PHP4 >>>>>> installed. Why bother with 5 at all? >>>>> There are a number of nice features in PHP5 that have nothing to do >>> with >>>>> actually creating your own classes or extending built-ins, such as >>> (off >>>>> the top of my head): >>>>> >>>>> - file_get_contents() >>>> PHP 4 >= 4.3.0, PHP 5 >>>> >>>>> - simplexml / DOM parsing / libxml2 >>>>> - json_encode|decode >>>> JSON PECL extension can be installed for PHP >= 4.3.0 >>>> >>>>> - stable APC >>>>> - SPL >>>>> - PDO ( although you can get it for 4.4, you can't depend on it > being >>>>> there ) >>>>> - backwards compatibility with lots of procedural PHP4 code =) >>>>> >>>>> If you're writing an app that does a lot of json or xml parsing or >>>>> output, *even if you don't use the class keyword anywhere in your own >>>>> code* PHP5 is a better language than PHP4. Drupal is a great example >>> of >>>>> this because even though Drupal doesn't use classes, many Drupal devs >>>>> want to use PHP5 features in Drupal core. Right Larry? >>>>> >>>>> JeffG >>>> Except for the OO, I don't see anything that can't be done in PHP4, >>>> while it can be done in PHP5. Some workarounds are maybe needed, but >>>> it mostly doesn't require more than 10 lines of PHP code extra. >>>> >>> file_put_contents (Probably the one you meant Jeff) >>> http_build_query >>> xslt* (yeah.. not xslt2.. still ;-) ) >>> streams (good ones) >>> >>> There are so many functions that have changed... here: >>> >>> http://cvs.php.net/viewvc.cgi/pear/PHP_Compat/Compat/Function/ >>> >>> >>> >>> To reply to chris above there... yes you could have used any kind of >>> DOM in whatever browser and javascript, however, if you wanted to do >>> dom manipulation with php, you had to use the domxml pecl extension >>> (http://pecl.php.net/package/domxml) which was outdated from it's >>> first day (No offence to you chregu :P the extension was useful but >>> ugly and slow as a$$) >>> >>> What else.. I mean... seriously guys.. what the deuce ? Get over >>> php4.. yeah made us all win money.. but now make real applications.. >>> if you need to make simple func scripts, go ahead, you even have more >>> functions than ever.. >> Unfortunately my original point has become obscured by hair splitting. >> I was done with this "hair splitting" when I stated that I liked /both/ >> versions - each for different reasons. It's like a comment made earlier >> regarding the use of assembler. >> Consider the following... >> Assembler is fastest by far - at shifting bits. Can I use it to create > and >> run web pages/applications? Yes. But just because it is the fastest > language >> for shifting bits, doesn't make the best language for the web - unless > you >> were making a web server with it (not out of it). >> I think that same analogy applies to both versions of PHP - one version > is >> more suitable for one thing (your choice(s) here), and vise-a-versa. Or; >> while PHP5 allows you to manifest functionality, PHP4 allows you to tack >> it on. > > i don't think so ... PHP 5 is always the better choice ... cause PHP 4 > development has stopped and support will end and you will get no more > security update after 2008-08-08(?) Does that somehow make it any less the language it is already? Your response seems confusing to me. > > > > -- > Sebastian Mendel > > www.sebastianmendel.de > > -- > PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List > To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php ///////////////////////////////////////////////////// Service provided by hitOmeter.NET internet messaging! .