RE: [PHP] Dreamweaver 4 ignores PHP - again

I do not think so : 1. Does not support regular expression replacements 2. Windows management looks a little scarce then in EditPlus 3. Haven't read the word PHP on their website/supported features 4. I don't see HTML tags shortcuts as in EditPlus (not when in HTML mode only) 5. Haven't seen many differences that would impress me. I still believe that EditPlus is better for programming. also hidemaru (or Maruo) is real good. has few features but it is great software Cheers, Maxim Maletsky -----Original Message----- From: Matt Stone [mailto:matt@planetveggie.com] Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2000 1:49 PM To: Maxim Maletsky; 'Steven Holloway'; php Subject: RE: [PHP] Dreamweaver 4 ignores PHP - again UltraEdit 32 is the best -----Original Message----- From: Maxim Maletsky [mailto:maxim.maletsky@japaninc.net] Sent: Thursday, 16 November 2000 1:03 PM To: 'Steven Holloway'; php Subject: RE: [PHP] Dreamweaver 4 ignores PHP - again Hey, why do we talk about Dreamweaver here anyway? Dreamweaver was used and respected in my company until I got in here. All "dynamicity" was here based on Dreamweaver libraries features. Until it crashed. and the whole 9.000 pages website went to the hell. NOW, it's all on my PHP/mySQL design and is being much much more stable. no jokes like that anymore. it is portable and accessible. I do not personally care who uses what. Our designers are using Macs installed with all the Macromedia and Adobe staff. All I care is that they do not alter PHP codes on pages that have <?...?>. I personally use Linux (x-windows sometimes) for coding, but often I need to use my Mac for designing purposes and Windows 2000 for administration staff like office things etc.. Do you know what I use for HTML? Microsoft FrontPage (funny, isn't it?) but it's quite cool for doing scratches of complicated tables and implementing graphics on pages with tables etc. ... AND THAT'S IT ... I have NEVER left even a piece of WYSIWYG code on my pages. I always work manually. I type and alter codes by hand, and the WYSIWYG tools are being used only to speed up some staff like I described above. I do carefully rewrite all that generated code leaving only tables and images values. And I noticed that you can always trick browsers if you don't "think different". You can make the code being about 60% shorter, cleaner and faster by typing it manually. This is a right way to work, I think. I don't care (don't even want) Dreamweaver to support PHP, makes no sense. I rather care about him altering my PHP codes. WYSIWYG just makes some untalented people believe that they are good in what they are doing. Let's use WYSIWYG toys for design where it fits better and VIM:Linux / EditPlus:Win for coding whatever we code. Cheers, Maxim Maletsky P.S: no offence, remember: my team went through 9.000 pages of (cut & paste)ing because of the Dreamweaver. 2 weeks of work, no RegEx was helping because Dreamweaver wasn't writing the code in the same way on different pages. Cheers! -----Original Message----- From: Steven Holloway [mailto:steven@pdis.com.au] Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2000 11:17 AM To: php Subject: RE: [PHP] Dreamweaver 4 ignores PHP - again I really dont care if macromedia go to PHP integration i am not a designer but sometimes i have to use the tools the designers use. I am not really interested design, but i dont think its fair to slag a tool just cos its wysiwyg as many have. I am Linux & Windoze user under Linux I use VIM. Under windows I use Homsesite, Homsite is far nicer to use ans some 3rd party extenmsions make it the bets tool i have seen for PHP I wouldnt be without my Linux box. Maybe after Kylix is released we will se some nice tools ported to X and then i can kiss windows good bye (yay). My point is not trying step on peoples feet for using their fav tools. Use the tool your comfortable with. I am in a company where there are mostly designers and the company pays for the software (which is tax deductable anyway) so price is not issue really. These debates on this list tend get people fired up a bit too much. I used to code all my HTML by hand. But if it takes a few minutes in Dreamweaver to build something then a few minutes to clean it up by hand thats probably a half hour i have saved to put back into PHP/MySQL. All said and done each to there own, but those out there who go about slagging people off for using particular tool, should keep it to themsleves since they are not uselful comments. another note i have some 3rd party extentions for Dreamwever that iconize PHP code in the wysiwyg and also allow you to drop in PHP code. But the editor still leaves much to be desired hence i dont use it I'' look for the site i got them from and post the links of anyone is interested. Cheers ******************************* Steven Michael Holloway Web Programmer Port Douglas Internet Services Cairns Australia steven@pdis.com.au ******************************* -----Original Message----- From: root [mailto:root]On Behalf Of callen Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2000 11:18 AM To: Steven Holloway Cc: php Subject: Re: [PHP] Dreamweaver 4 ignores PHP - again Greetings!! <snip> > Macromedia have done some great things > with these integrations, still somewhat buggy(name software that isnt) Well how about vi--emacs?? I think what you mean to say is that they have a long time to go before they are fully workable tools? Do you think that they will go the way of full php intergration? >> but > hey it works well and its fast > anyone who is still hand design there HTML is clearly behind the times > or have there head so far...... Aye... "The Times"! Fear the future when the next release puts a huge dent in your pocket book. > anyway Our Graphics guy does up designs in Fireworks, one of the web > designers > moves it to Dreamwaver and makes a template. I can then move that to PHP > if needed. And generate nice looking pages with dynamic content. Bravo! I do the same thing in emacs plus read my mail--check news--view logs etc:). Well, to each their own. -- Christopher C.M. 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