Re: Dreamweaver 4 ignores PHP - again

Well i'm tougher than all of you, coz i just spin up my hdd at 3000rpm, and tap the surface with a magnetized screwdriver. I think you're all girls, monkeys, and other assorted rediculous things... Get my point? Can you guys take this shit to private email now? -Gfunk007 Never be Never see Won't see what might have been :::: visit me - http://www.gfunk007.com/ :::: ICQ 74477509 :::: ----- Original Message ----- From: "lagi" <lagi@yasoo.co.uk> To: <php-general@lists.php.net> Cc: "Ingo Fischer" <apollon@schlund.de> Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2000 10:50 PM Subject: Re: [PHP] Dreamweaver 4 ignores PHP - again > Hi, > > I'll put my oar in and say that I do use dreamweaver but do the boring > mundane stuff, in the same way I used the brief editor years ago to write > all the boring Clipper @SAY commands I still had to know what I was doing > when a problem cropped up > > When I really need total control I get stuck into the HTML - I made a > concerted effort to learn barebones HTML before using anything "automatic". > > If we have to get into the I am superior to you because I use NOTEPAD - wow > not even NOTEPAD PLUS, then I would still be coding in 6800 machine code > (not assembly language because I started with 256 Bytes RAM in those days) - > after writing a 6800 emulator on my PC - or a little less fanciful I would > write my own PHP 4 just because I can. > > When I used Borland C with syntax Highlighting I was in heaven - 2 seconds > to find any mismatched parenthesis, unbalanced quotes etc - If I am a total > Moron the best tools in the world won't help but they will get me a little > further until I'm found out - > > "everyone rises in a hierarchy up to his level of incompetence" - The Peter > Principle > > > RANT=OFF > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Nebbe, Joelle" <Joelle.Nebbe@rim.co.uk> > To: <php-general@lists.php.net> > Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2000 11:35 AM > Subject: RE: [PHP] Dreamweaver 4 ignores PHP - again > > > > > I find that generally, PHP users tend to be more cluey than most about > > > HTML and coding in general. > > > > Still I agree with her - people who say "I use a barebones text editor > > and that *obviously* makes me superior to anyone using a sophisticated > > editor or -heaven forbid- a wysiwyg proggy or an IDE that does > > code generation" drive me up the wall. > > > > PHP is going to be used by people who don't really have a technical > > background > > and come from design, because it is easy enough to pick up quickly and do > > nifty > > things. If they join this list and read things like that, what are they > > going to think? "Oh my, I'm not posting a question here, they'll probably > > refuse > > to reply or even flame me..." > > > > And besides, deciding that people are monkeys cause they use a commercial > > tool > > does not make sense anyway. > > > > Now if you work on small projects and rarely have to work your way through > > someone else's code a simple editor can be the best tool (I like Edit+) > > -but when you have to work on other people's code, or on a big project, > > or with designers... > > > > I would not want to work without things like syntax highlighting, > > parenthesis > > matching, intelligent indenting etc. Oh and folding and "bookmarks" and > code > > > > snippets and customizable keyboard shortcuts... and if possible some easy > > tools > > that plug into the documentation/APIs, or can analyze my code when I am > > working > > in things like java... > > > > Our designers work in dreamweaver - and when I did webpages myself, I used > > the > > dreamweaver-homesite combo, dreamweaver to play with the design, homesite > to > > > > clean and tweak and for certain things I just can do quicker in > homesite... > > (but some things I sure can do quicker in DW) > > > > Now Dreamweaver is not an application development tool, and should not be > > used > > this way, but as a tool to put in the hands of designers to do interface > > design, > > and as a tool for the maintenance of static parts of a website, it does an > > awesome > > job. The best designers I have worked with usually used DW - yet were very > > savvy in > > HTML, DHTML, Javascript and often PHP/XML/JSP. > > > > And when I have to take my designer's mockups and make them into something > > my > > php app can use to generate dynamic pages, I sure would like to be able to > > have > > dreamweaver cause it does give you a quick view of the structure of a > > page... > > > > And I don't necessarily assume that people that create an IDE by drag and > > dropping and connecting bits in an IDE are necessarily worse developers > > than I am - they might be, but they could just be very good developers who > > have tested their IDE and know what parts they can trust the IDE to do a > > decent > > job quicker than they would and when not. That's certainly how the > designers > > here > > use dreamweaver -they know what it does well and what it mangles and use > it > > accordingly. > > > > rant over > > > > Joelle Nebbe > > > > > > _______________________________________________________________________ > > Any opinions expressed in the email are those of the individual and not > > necessarily the company. 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