Re: Dreamweaver 4 ignores PHP - again

Hi, I'll put my oar in and say that I do use dreamweaver but do the boring mundane stuff, in the same way I used the brief editor years ago to write all the boring Clipper @SAY commands I still had to know what I was doing when a problem cropped up When I really need total control I get stuck into the HTML - I made a concerted effort to learn barebones HTML before using anything "automatic". If we have to get into the I am superior to you because I use NOTEPAD - wow not even NOTEPAD PLUS, then I would still be coding in 6800 machine code (not assembly language because I started with 256 Bytes RAM in those days) - after writing a 6800 emulator on my PC - or a little less fanciful I would write my own PHP 4 just because I can. When I used Borland C with syntax Highlighting I was in heaven - 2 seconds to find any mismatched parenthesis, unbalanced quotes etc - If I am a total Moron the best tools in the world won't help but they will get me a little further until I'm found out - "everyone rises in a hierarchy up to his level of incompetence" - The Peter Principle RANT=OFF ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nebbe, Joelle" <Joelle.Nebbe@rim.co.uk> To: <php-general@lists.php.net> Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2000 11:35 AM Subject: RE: [PHP] Dreamweaver 4 ignores PHP - again > > I find that generally, PHP users tend to be more cluey than most about > > HTML and coding in general. > > Still I agree with her - people who say "I use a barebones text editor > and that *obviously* makes me superior to anyone using a sophisticated > editor or -heaven forbid- a wysiwyg proggy or an IDE that does > code generation" drive me up the wall. > > PHP is going to be used by people who don't really have a technical > background > and come from design, because it is easy enough to pick up quickly and do > nifty > things. If they join this list and read things like that, what are they > going to think? "Oh my, I'm not posting a question here, they'll probably > refuse > to reply or even flame me..." > > And besides, deciding that people are monkeys cause they use a commercial > tool > does not make sense anyway. > > Now if you work on small projects and rarely have to work your way through > someone else's code a simple editor can be the best tool (I like Edit+) > -but when you have to work on other people's code, or on a big project, > or with designers... > > I would not want to work without things like syntax highlighting, > parenthesis > matching, intelligent indenting etc. Oh and folding and "bookmarks" and code > > snippets and customizable keyboard shortcuts... and if possible some easy > tools > that plug into the documentation/APIs, or can analyze my code when I am > working > in things like java... > > Our designers work in dreamweaver - and when I did webpages myself, I used > the > dreamweaver-homesite combo, dreamweaver to play with the design, homesite to > > clean and tweak and for certain things I just can do quicker in homesite... > (but some things I sure can do quicker in DW) > > Now Dreamweaver is not an application development tool, and should not be > used > this way, but as a tool to put in the hands of designers to do interface > design, > and as a tool for the maintenance of static parts of a website, it does an > awesome > job. The best designers I have worked with usually used DW - yet were very > savvy in > HTML, DHTML, Javascript and often PHP/XML/JSP. > > And when I have to take my designer's mockups and make them into something > my > php app can use to generate dynamic pages, I sure would like to be able to > have > dreamweaver cause it does give you a quick view of the structure of a > page... > > And I don't necessarily assume that people that create an IDE by drag and > dropping and connecting bits in an IDE are necessarily worse developers > than I am - they might be, but they could just be very good developers who > have tested their IDE and know what parts they can trust the IDE to do a > decent > job quicker than they would and when not. That's certainly how the designers > here > use dreamweaver -they know what it does well and what it mangles and use it > accordingly. > > rant over > > Joelle Nebbe > > > _______________________________________________________________________ > Any opinions expressed in the email are those of the individual and not > necessarily the company. 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