Re: Self Destruct code

Hmm thanks for that.. I'm only a young guy but I have been told that it seems 'too cheap' the price I put on it.. I spend a lot of time programming these sites, and build quite well programmed sites (ie Databasing, security/authentication, product system, etc) and I really love programming and webdev.. But I really need money too, and yeah your right, the pay for just 10 a month is shit.. I want to pay off my internet, bills, hosting (if I can afford that) :) heaps of stuff, also I am looking for a lappy for Uni and just plain old spare cash for food, transport etc.. And yeah.. In comparison to what biz's pay for everything else.. my charge pales largely :P Ok.. a hourly rate thing sounds good.. BUT one thing.. If I get little personal sites (like I have one person just asked a week ago) how can I possibly expect they will pay like 70+ p/h for a site? and ontop of that another 20 or more for hosting p/m.... Because I am not some large company but I have plenty of great 5K1LL5. I can't really "push" off these "somewhat" prospective clients simply cos they can't afford my work.. Because I need their money :) I am in Australia.. So.. as a plug.. :) Anyone want a good, fast, slick, heavily database intergrated ecommerce site? With member facilities, product catergoristation and search system? Ability to have my own "auto-updater" program extract the DB you use at workplace with pricing and automatically upload to your website to reflect latest pricing etc at specified intervals... mmMMmm..... maximum w00tage eh? Haha.. ROFL Oh wells.. Reading next email in this huge mail listing :) ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: : Julien Bonastre [The-Spectrum.org CEO] : A.K.A. The_RadiX : the_radix@hotkey.net.au : ABN: 64 235 749 494 : QUT Student #: 04475739 ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ----- Original Message ----- From: "Justin French" <justin@indent.com.au> To: "The_RadiX" <the_radix@hotkey.net.au> Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2002 12:55 AM Subject: Re: [PHP] Self Destruct code > on 07/05/02 9:55 PM, The_RadiX (the_radix@hotkey.net.au) wrote: > > > AND don't sell yourself cheap.. > > > > Try this: "I can make you a site for $850 that will allow you to perform all > > you have asked and has room for expansion later on when your company grows.. > > I may also charge you a small fee of $5-10 per month for maintance and > > hosting costs".. > > I don't know how good your code is, but you are selling yourself short!! > $5-10/month for maintenance????? Geez I dunno if I'd open my text editor > for $5... or answer their emails. > > I dunno what your hourly rate is, but $10/month would buy my client 2/3rds > of fuck-all. I bill in 15 minute increments (because even a 5 min phonecall > can distract you from your work, losing maybe 15mins out of your billable > day). So for $10, they wouldn't even get 15mins with me. > > Don't kid yourself -- your time is valuable, and $5-10 buys nothing. How > much are you earning now? How much do you want to earn per annum?? With > all the bullshit in the day, there's prolly only 4-5 billable hours in a > day. > > 4hrs x 5 days x 48weeks (52-4) = 960 hours a year. If you want to earn > $40,000/year (before tax, expenses, hosting, ISP, phone, lights, power, > etc), your hourly rate should be $41. I'm sure you can do the math on > $80,000/year. > > > They should also be paying decent $'s for the original site, a realistic > maintenance cost (hours per month?), and a realistic price for hosting... > you know I've got an experthost account, currently I'm paying US$6.25/m per > domain, and charging these out to the client at around AU$300-400/year. Do > the math, it's like 50% profit. > > They pay $100's for a yellow pages ad, $1000's for phones, faxes and > mobiles, $1000's for rent, $1000's for car payments, etc etc, so why should > the site, maintenance and hosting be some cheap-arse thing? > > > > Be realistic to yourself and to them... they'd be paying almost any staff > $10-15/hr, so if you're charging them $10-15/month for maintenance, support, > phone calls, emails, questions, small updates, queries AND hosting, you're > telling them your time is worth about $1/hr. > > Or, telling them you're shite. > > > Mate, for $5/hr, i'll employ you -- and that'll triple your income :P > > > if you're good, believe it, and charge it. > > > Justin > > > > > > >