Re: RFC: Short syntax for Arrays (redux)

This is my first time posting to the mailing list, been lurking for a little while, but I would like to throw in my thoughts. I've written about the idea of PHP supporting JSON notation on my blog before (http://www.justincarmony.com/blog/2011/04/12/php-itch-to-scratch-object-notation/), and I think it would be beneficial because: - Frameworks and Libraries are becoming more verbose as they support more modular designs. The more PHP as a language can do to help developers make their frameworks less verbose (like supporting JSON like notations), the happier developers will be. - Most developers are familiar with JSON, so the learning curve for this notation would be low. - While short hand for arrays would be nice, some developers are moving to use objects more over arrays, so a shorthand that supports both arrays and objects would be great. But the bottom line is I would love to help put together whatever is required for a new RFC, and do anything to help others who don't see the use for the short notation. Justin Carmony On May 31, 2011, at 12:42 PM, Brian Moon wrote: > https://wiki.php.net/rfc/shortsyntaxforarrays > > Since this was brought again recently by Rasmus (http://markmail.org/message/fx3brcm4ekh645se) > and on Twitter where several people including Andi chimed in on it and Ilia seemed to reverse his > thoughts as well (with caveats), I thought I would start a real thread about it. The reason the RFC > stalled was stated as: > > "This patch will not be accepted because slight majority of the core developers voted > against. Though if you take a accumulated mean between core developers and userland votes seems to > show the opposite it would be irresponsible to submit a patch witch is not supported or maintained > in the long run." > > So, the PHP users want it, but too many PHP core devs did not want it or did not see the use of > it. From rereading the mailing list archive, most had the tone of "I don't see a reason > for it." I was in that camp in 2003 when it first came up. However, with the emergence of JSON > and systems that use JSON as an interface, this type of syntax would be most welcome in the day to > day life of a PHP developer. > > I would prefer (as Rasmus pointed out) not to start a long discussion about it. Primarily I > would be curious if anyone on the lists (from the RFC wiki page) below would like to change your > vote or if you are not listed below and would like to be counted, that would be great too. > > PHP SVN account holder voters > ============================= > Pro: Andrei Zmievski, Andi Gutmans, Pierre Joye, Rasmus Lerdorf, Stanislav Malyshev, Brian > Moon, Kalle Sommer Nielsen, Edin Kadribasic > > Contra: Antony Dovgal, Derick Rethans, Jani Taskinen, Lokrain, Felipe Pena, Lukas Kahwe Smith, > Marcus Boerger, David Soria Parra, Johannes Schlüter, Maciek Sokolewicz, Philip Olson, Ilia > Alshanetsky, Daniel Brown, Jochem Maas, Hannes Magnusson, David Coallier > > > Other voters > ============ > Pro: Sebastian Deutsch, Ryusuke Sekiyama, Stefan Marr, Alexey Zakhlestin, Carl P. Corliss, > Darius Jahandarie, Giedrius D, Eric Coleman, Max Antonov, Mike Ford, Larry Garfield, Sam Barrow, > Taylor Luk, Hans Ahlin, Karoly Negyesi, Guilherme Blanco, Jonathan-Bond Caron > > Contra: Geoffrey Sneddon, Tomi Kaistila, David Zühlke > > > -- > Brian. > http://brian.moonspot.net > > -- > PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List > To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php >