RE: [PHP-DEV] RFC: Short syntax for Arrays (redux)

I don't think anyone cares about JSON for the sake of being perfect JSON, I didn't intend to give that impression. I'm only hoping for something that generally works on par with all the other JSON parsers in the world. In other words something with roughly the same syntax, constraints, and flexibility as the average browser based JavaScript implementation. Making JSON some special totally separate object type would totally miss the point and meaning of any developer writing such code. Yes, JSON is a very specific encoding, but when a developer writes something "jsony", what they mean is "an object/array with the following structure/values", because that is what the encoding really represents. John Crenshaw Priacta, Inc. -----Original Message----- From: dukeofgaming [mailto:dukeofgaming@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2011 6:52 PM To: Michael Shadle Cc: Sean Coates; Anthony Ferrara; PHP internals Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] RFC: Short syntax for Arrays (redux) I still don't get it, the idea of making it look like json wont make it json, it will be PHP, and if you dare to write you "jsony" object/array with single quoted strings wont break the code even when its not JSON. I'll say it again: not even Javascript supports 100% valid JSON. I'll say it even more times: Not even Javascript supports 100% valid JSON Not even Javascript supports 100% valid JSON Not even Javascript supports 100% valid JSON Not even Javascript supports 100% valid JSON Not even Javascript supports 100% valid JSON JSON even has its own mime type. The idea of JSON as a first-class citizen is a fallacy IMHO. The concept itsel is not ugly, but for god's sake, lets put it in a separate RFC and lets decide con the actual RFC. Perhaps the JSON idea could benefit from autoboxing and a native class?: https://wiki.php.net/rfc/autoboxing JSON is a serializarion format, not a data structure, you coud write an associative array and if PHP knew the way, it could be autointerpreted as JSON, no need to make PHP code look like JSON. I think that the *BEHAVIOR* of arrays/objects as JSON and without the intervention of serialization functions should be in a separate RFC. There is really no point to make PHP *look* like JSON to handle JSON natively . This JSON matter and short array/object syntax are different issues just the way "<?=" and "<?" were. Could someone get Douglas Crockford in here?, rofl. Regards, David