Re: Consistent function names

Hi Markus, On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 at 4:47 PM, Markus Fischer <markus@fischer.name> wrote: > On 01.03.15 21:19, Yasuo Ohgaki wrote: > >>> The answer is no, it's just not worth it. Having a function called > >> str_pos which is an alias of strpos, but only on some versions, is more > >> confusing, not less. > >> > >> My sentiment too. Factor in that someone already using the proposed > >> himself, things can only go south from here. > >> > >> If PHP wants to clean up, then do it right: use a namespace for it. > > > > > > I agree use of namespace is better solution. It's rather severe BC, > though. > > How about rename functions except "string" and "array" related > > functions > ? > > > > BTW, I cannot change document system, but I'm going to update all doc > > contents if this passes. > > I'm not sure we're on the same page. I'm talking about moving in > "no-BC-break" way, if at all. That is, no existing function be touched. > I would love to have namespace that could be imported like namespace \php\7\function\* as \; // Import all functions to \ namespace \php\7\function\* as \; and have INI like default_namespaces "\php\7\function\* \php\5\function\*" This way, we'll have no-BC since user can select functions to import. (Namespace layout should be improved. Above example will have issues most certainly) Your idea is similar to this, I guess. > > As to whether namespaces-aliases are really necessary I leave for others. > > I think a sensible thing to do at this stage would be, rather than > changing existing stuff, laying the ground work how to do it in the > future. What I mean is: an RFC for consistent introducing new "names" in > the PHP language. > > So that /future/ functionality does not always get slapped into the > global namespace but that we finally start using our reserved PHP\ > namespace and put stuff in there instead of the global pollution. > > Yeah, I think that direction is a sensible start and gather peoples > mindset about this instead of going backwards, renaming stuff without > clear plan, etc. We may postpone some renames. I wrote almost complete list. Please take a look at https://wiki.php.net/rfc/consistent_function_names#list_of_functions_to_be_renamed There are many functions that can have aliases safely. I'll post [RFC][DISCUSSION] now. Please comment on new thread! Thank you. -- Yasuo Ohgaki yohgaki@ohgaki.net