Re: Some PEAR remarks

"Stig S. Bakken" wrote: > > On Thu, 2002-04-18 at 02:34, Manuel Lemos wrote: > > Hello, > > Hello, > > Martin Jansen wrote: > > > > > > On Wed, 17 Apr 2002 15:55:29 +0200, Vincent Oostindie wrote: > > > > > > >On Thu, 18 Apr 2002 02:08:47 +0200, Jason Lotito wrote: > > > >>> A question in advance: why are member variables in PEAR prefixed with a > > > >>> '_'? Sure this is useful in languages like Java or C++ where > > > >>> it's hard > > > >>> to see which variable is a local one, an argument or a member, but in > > > >>> PHP this distinction is already clear: all member variables are > > > >>> prefixed with '$this->' inside a method. And if you use > > > >>> proper > > > >>> encapsulation, member variables are never accessed from anywhere else. > > > >>> (And very, very sadly, this is not the case in the PEAR library!) > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> http://pear.php.net/manual/en/standards.naming.php > > > > > > > >I know that they're following a standard, but I question the standard, not > > > >the fact that PEAR uses it :-) > > > > > > The coding standards have been questioned by a lot people so far, > > > but they all did not succeed :-). A project like PEAR simply needs > > > some guidelines concerning the coding style and we will not change > > > them just because there are some people that don't like them. > > > Please search the mailing list archives (http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/) > > > for the flame wars and endless dicussions concerning this point. > > > > > > PLEASE don't start a yet another useless coding standard discussion. > > > > You are missing Vicent's points. > > > > Vincent bothered to spend time and analyse PEAR code. Then he bothered > > to write a fully justified message with the criticisms that he sees as > > appropriate according to pondered points of view. > > > > What does Vincent get for that? > > > > Hostitlity, hostility and hostility! > > > > This is a very consistent pattern of PEAR people. > > Where's the hostility in this thread? Vincent has gotten several decent > and non-hostile answers. Sneaking in a comment like this is very > consistent of Manuel Lemos. Basically you refused each and every point of Vicent. When somebody is not being well received by you, you are being hostile. Anyway, my message was not meant to be replied. It was just meant for you to reflect upon the reasons that were presented for the fact that PEAR is a failure in terms of acceptance. You may bother to deny it, but that does not change that fact. For once and for all, at least once in PEAR history, use your brain instead of your ego, be humbl and try to listen when people are trying to help you to make PEAR succeed instead of just keep being hostile. You will never succeed in building a community if you keep rejecting the members attempts to contribute to your project success. Regards, Manuel Lemos PS. If all you have to say is more hostility, don't bother to reply.