Re: Some PEAR remarks

Manuel Lemos wrote: > > Where's the hostility in this thread? Vincent has gotten several decent > > and non-hostile answers. Sneaking in a comment like this is very > > consistent of Manuel Lemos. > > Basically you refused each and every point of Vicent. When somebody is > not being well received by you, you are being hostile. Just for clarifying this before I make my comments: I am a pure PEAR user, I did not yet develop any classes for the project (shame on me ;-)) and I have no personal connections to the people who do, so I think I´ve got a somehow neutral view of things (except that I like PEAR because of the ease of use of its base classes and the fact that it has saved me tons of work already). Personally, I did not see any hostility in the answers to the original message. Thomas and Stig have explained why they did things the way they did and they also admitted that there are some unclean leftovers and some design flaws that need to be adressed in the future. They have also explained that the reasons for many of the mentioned issues have to do with the limited OO capabilites of PHP and that those issues will likely be resolved when PHP5 is out (which will have most of the needed features). But they are also right when they say that some of the design decisions make perfect sense in a language like PHP - for example method parameters or return values with dynamic typing. So I don´t really see where the probem is... from my point of view as an outsider, both parties are right. > For once and for all, at least once in PEAR history, use your brain > instead of your ego, be humbl and try to listen when people are trying > to help you to make PEAR succeed instead of just keep being hostile. You > will never succeed in building a community if you keep rejecting the > members attempts to contribute to your project success. Do you really think talking like this (doesn´t "use your brain" sound a little hostile in this context?) will convince anyone? Also, if there were no other developers involved, how did so many classes find their way into PEAR? And wasn´t there a discussion a while ago on PEAR-DEV (which I don´t follow regularly, so I might be mistaken) that your Metabase project is generally considered the better abstraction class so there should be a wrapper class in PEAR for easy migration between the packages? Speaking of that, does anybody know if there´s actually been some action in this matter or was it all just talk? Regards, Markus -- *21st Media* | Consulting, Konzeption, Produktion für die Bereiche: Markus Wolff | Internet, Intranet, eCommerce, Content Management, Hamburg,Germany | Softwareentwicklung, 3D-Animation, Videostreaming http://21st.de | Tel. [+49](0)40/6887949-0, Fax: [+49](0)40/6887949-1