Re: Some PEAR remarks

Hello, Markus Wolff wrote: > So I don´t really see where the probem is... from my point of view as an > outsider, both parties are right. Yes, I can understand why you don't see the problem. You seem to have arrived to the PEAR world recently. If you have came earlier, you would notice that there have been plenty of people like Vincent complaining about these and other issues and PEAR developers only had one position: reject all arguments! > > For once and for all, at least once in PEAR history, use your brain > > instead of your ego, be humbl and try to listen when people are trying > > to help you to make PEAR succeed instead of just keep being hostile. You > > will never succeed in building a community if you keep rejecting the > > members attempts to contribute to your project success. > > Do you really think talking like this (doesn´t "use your brain" sound a > little hostile in this context?) will convince anyone? The statement was a little longer: use your brain instead of your ego . This means that because PEAR developers (mostly Tomas and Stig) want to monopolize the decisions or the implementation of key PEAR components just to satisfy their egos, they prevent the whole community to benefit the community with better implementations of such components. > Also, if there were no other developers involved, how did so many > classes find their way into PEAR? And wasn´t there a discussion a while Quantity is not as relevant as quality. > ago on PEAR-DEV (which I don´t follow regularly, so I might be mistaken) > that your Metabase project is generally considered the better > abstraction class so there should be a wrapper class in PEAR for easy > migration between the packages? > > Speaking of that, does anybody know if there´s actually been some action > in this matter or was it all just talk? Oh, I am so glad you brought that up. You know, I just talked with Lukas Smith that commited himself through the heavy task of merging Metabase into PEAR-DB. Lukas is very unsatisfied because Tomas Cox is continuing to boycott Metabase-PEAR-DB merger by stalling Lukas forever. You know that Tomas implemented a significant part of current PEAR-DB implementation, so he is so attached to his code, that he is doing all he can to boycott or at least stall Metabase merger into PEAR. In the begining it was all that story of code formating rules that would be mandatory. You know, Metabase is a very complete package and so it is long. It has now over 12.000 lines of PHP counting all drivers. Tomas knew that reformating Metabase code to PEAR would take an etternity. So, he bet on that argument to boycott Metabase. Maybe he did not count that Lukas was brave enough to PEARify enough code to demonstrate that the effort is worthy. So, since he could no longer use the arguable code formating argument, he used the also arguable argument of lack of performance. I don't think he even verified it. This made Lukas run to optimize Metabase further even in places of questionable impact. When Lukas asked for help to Tomas, what Lukas understood is that instead of helping him, Tomas was working hard on optimizing his PEAR-DB implementation. Of course we are not dumb that he don't realize that Tomas is only concerned to voiding Lukas efforts by desperatly try to make PEAR-DB a better implementation in any aspect that could be used as argument to not merge Metabase in PEAR-DB for once and for all. All I can say is that this posture is insulting, if not for me, at least for Lukas and the PEAR community that expects that this merger really happens so everybody can benefit of the best there is in the PHP world. Anyway, I am not surprised. Tomas may have fooled Lukas and the PEAR community but he never fooled me. It seems his ego is so much more important than the benefit of the PEAR community. This makes all this story of his availability to cooperate a big farse. I trust that now you may understand better what I mean of: use your brain instead of your ego. This applies directly to Tomas and all those that really do not want Metabase to come into PEAR but do not have the consistency to admit it publically. I always said, I do not want to go where I am not wanted. But if I am not wanted, I would like those that do not want me to have the decency of admiting it publically so he stop making each other spend time on things that will never happen. I hope by now you understand, that despite people here tried to sound nice to the Vincents that naively come here trying to help presenting their criticisms and suggestions to make PEAR better accepted, in practice they are being hostile because they reject everything that does not match their opinion. This elitism will always compromise PEAR chances to succeed. Regards, Manuel Lemos