Re: geoipo again

Bertrand, I know you are used to straight unilateral way of doing things, but CLD went pretty well with discussions, not much of an issue there. While quickhash was wrong from the beginning, the naming that is, and that's rather obvious. The idea is not to block extensions but to avoid a total mess and chaos that leads to kill PECL like what happens now in PEAR. A little bit of discussions to see if two projects with the exact same goals could not cooperate instead of doing their own ways (and both being not maintained anymore after some time) sounds like a good thing to do, no matter the results of the discussions. Thanks to do not put oil on the fire, Cheers, On Sun, Nov 6, 2011 at 9:39 AM, Bertrand Mansion <bmansion@mamasam.com> wrote: > Please add your extension to PECL and don't worry too much about some > "suggestions". > It seems that's what people usually do these days (see quickhash and cld proposals and > related comments). > It would be a shame to see nice extensions not making it into PECL because of some strong > "suggestions". > Thanks. > > Le 4 nov. 2011 à 23:36, Bob Majdak Jr a écrit : > >>> Btw, what's the status on the merge of your patches? Any progress? >> >> my message about the not 1:1 geoipo to geoip api and competitive concerns, was ignored >> instead of being debated further, so instead i built a custom pecl channel to put it in and began >> standard distribution from my personal site as its own module, an idea fed to me by multiple people >> when i was showing them the message thread here. >> >> if the debate is back on the table, to recap my concerns were: >> >> 1) geoipo's oop is not a 1:1 c to php api extension. geoip is no easier to use than >> libGeoIP, but geoipo is. merging them would create discontinuity between my oop interface and his >> function interface purely because i did not just bring the functions to php, i wrapped the functions >> in a pretty box with a nice brightly coloured bow. i have demonstrated that multiple times in >> multiple examples here and in the examples included in the code base. >> >> 2) oliver feeling this was a project he would have to take over because i was obviously >> just going to disappear, i could hear him sighing across the internet as he explained how he had to >> take over some pear class already and at how heavy that burden was. >> >> 3) and yeah, the work required to do what you suggest takes away from what i already did >> and more ** because** i would just be a guy that submitted a patch instead of it being my project. i >> want a project, i admit it straight out. i want the project. obviously, or i never would have >> bothered with what i already have done. >> >> >> >> >> On Nov 4, 2011, at 5:18 PM, Pierre Joye wrote: >> >>> On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 10:40 PM, Bob Majdak Jr <bob@opsat.net> wrote: >>>> On Nov 4, 2011, at 4:27 PM, Pierre Joye wrote: >>>> >>>>> About your extension, as we won't prevent you to include it (there is >>>>> no policy to prevent duplicated features) >>>> >>>> I remember a clear case a few weeks ago where there was a dispute about >>>> a new GeoIP extension that was easier and OOP, and it got shunted using >>>> that very reason to keep it out, almost as in an anti-competitive move you >>>> would expect from large corporations. >>>> >>>> *cough* >>> >>> We never said you could not but that it is way better to merge the two >>> as there is zero difference in the core features but the OO addition >>> and some flexibility. It would have been like forking an extension to >>> add one function. </cough>. >>> >>> What you may call shut down and anti competitive, I call it strong >>> suggestions and advice. >>> >>> Btw, what's the status on the merge of your patches? Any progress? >>> >>> -- >>> Pierre >>> >>> @pierrejoye | http://blog.thepimp.net | >>> http://www.libgd.org >> >> >> -- >> PECL development discussion Mailing List (http://pecl.php.net/) >> To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php >> > > > -- > PECL development discussion Mailing List (http://pecl.php.net/) > To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php > > -- Pierre @pierrejoye | http://blog.thepimp.net | http://www.libgd.org