Re: libidn2 extension for php

To clarify Pierres point a bit: When you configure PHP and --enable-intl, you have to have the ICU library installed on your servers. If you have ICU 4.8.x installed, the IDNA stuff will use the new routines. If you have older ICU library installed, the older rountines will be used. -Hannes On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 11:33, Pierre Joye <pierre.php@gmail.com> wrote: > it is already implemented. We do nothing else than calling the > underlying ICU API, which is the same for all IDNA specifications. > Using 4.8.x should work fine. If it is not the case or the results are > not what you expect, please report a bug to the ICU project to get it > fixed or to see if that's actually correct. > > On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 11:10 AM, Sven Kowalski <sk01@planet-ic.de> wrote: >> hi, >> >> there is one question left for me. When will this new version of icu be >> implemented in php? >> >> Cheers >> Sven >> >> Am 11.11.2011 10:26, schrieb Pierre Joye: >>> >>> hi Sven! >>> >>> Thanks for posting a summary of your replies to the list, that will >>> help to solve the last questions :) >>> >>> There are two different issues here, one technical, one legal. >>> >>> The legal one is that libidn2 is GPL, GPL licensed code or libraries >>> cannot be used with PHP licensed code (like.. PHP itself). That's why >>> we can't accept your extension. >>> >>>  From a technical point of view, intl relies on ICU. Latest versions of >>> ICU implements IDNA2008 (see >>> http://icu-project.org/apiref/icu4c49m1/uidna_8h.html). >>> That means >>> that using their latest version will provide what you are looking for. >>> If some cases do not work as expected, please report a bug there so it >>> can be fixed quickly :) >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 10:07 AM, Sven Kowalski<sk01@planet-ic.de>  wrote: >>>> >>>> Hey all, >>>> >>>> sry I'm new at mailing lists so I didn't really know how it works. Now a >>>> polite colleague introduced me to this topic. In the past I just answered >>>> to >>>> Pierre. >>>> >>>> So let me say something about the problem we have in our company. We are >>>> an >>>> Internet Service Provider and we manage domains with an php application. >>>> Some of our customers want domains with an "ß". The old IDNA2003 >>>> standard >>>> transforms this into "ss". But the DENIC now says that a "ß" >>>> is a "ß". >>>> There >>>> is an small example for you: >>>> The website fußball.de is transformed into fussball.de. But you can >>>> register >>>> a domain at the DENIC with fußball.de. fußball.de should be tranformed >>>> that >>>> way to be confirmed with IDNA2008 xn--fuball-cta.de. >>>> >>>> Maybe the website behind is the same but the owner of these domains can >>>> be >>>> different. At the moment no browser supports this transformation. But we >>>> are >>>> sure in the future the browser will support this feature. We found a >>>> thread >>>> on the mozilla website which deals with that topic. >>>> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=479520 >>>> We have also the information from the DENIC that Firefox wants to support >>>> the IDNA2008 standard still this year. >>>> >>>> The IDNA2008 standard is NOT compatible with the IDNA2003 standard which >>>> is >>>> now implemented in the intl extension. So in the future there will be a >>>> need >>>> for such a transformation and we want you to give such a feature. >>>> >>>> These are the RFCs we realized for php: >>>> http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5890 >>>> http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5891 >>>> http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5892 >>>> http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5893 >>>> >>>> You also can see the extension working under the following website: >>>> http://pecl.p4.net/libidn2.php >>>> >>>> If you want to try out this extension you can find under: >>>> http://pecl.p4.net/download.htm >>>> >>>> Cheers >>>> Sven >>>> >>>> Am 08.11.2011 10:33, schrieb Pierre Joye: >>>>> >>>>> hi! >>>>> >>>>> can you please use reply-all so it will make it to the list? :) >>>>> >>>>> About the ss (and maybe other as well), for what I see it is covered >>>>> by the 2003 RFC and the results returned by ICU are valid, as well as >>>>> other libraries I tested against. >>>>> >>>>> As a next step I would suggest to drop a mail to the ICU mailing list >>>>> (http://site.icu-project.org/) to ask if it is possible to change this >>>>> behavior to fullful the 2003 RFC needs, if it is a valid change (I do >>>>> not know all the details :). >>>>> >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Nov 8, 2011 at 10:03 AM, Sven Kowalski<sk01@planet-ic.de> >>>>>  wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> hi, >>>>>> >>>>>> we used the intl function with our apps before we developed the new >>>>>> extension. We started to develop the new one because the old one >>>>>> didn't >>>>>> support the "ß" I mentioned. We tried an example on the icu >>>>>> website >>>>>> that >>>>>> shows us the intl extension won't work with our needs. Here is the url >>>>>> with >>>>>> the example www.fußball.de for you: >>>>>> >>>>>> http://demo.icu-project.org/icu-bin/idnbrowser?t=www.fußball.de >>>>>> You can see that this URL is transformed into www.fussball.de. The >>>>>> DENIC >>>>>> says, that this URL has not to be changed. >>>>>> >>>>>> We know that the INDA 2003 and IDNA 2008 standards are not compatible >>>>>> with >>>>>> each other. That's why we wrote this extension. >>>>>> >>>>>> What we need is a php extension that converts a "ß" into >>>>>> punycode and >>>>>> not >>>>>> into "ss". >>>>>> >>>>>> Cheers >>>>>> Sven Kowalski >>>>>> >>>>>> Am 04.11.2011 22:27, schrieb Pierre Joye: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> hi, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Let me clarify our points too. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The full and current IDN specification is implemented already in ICU, >>>>>>> which is used by intl's IDN functions. See >>>>>>> http://site.icu-project.org/ for more >>>>>>> in depth details. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> About your extension, as we won't prevent you to include it (there >>>>>>> is >>>>>>> no policy to prevent duplicated features), we can't accept >>>>>>> extension >>>>>>> against GPL library, like libidn2. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Have you tried the intl function with your needs or apps? If you miss >>>>>>> something, we can surely add it to the existing features, be in ICU or >>>>>>> in intl. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Gruss, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 2:44 PM, Sven Kowalski<sk01@planet-ic.de> >>>>>>>  wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> hi, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ok I think I have to describe our problem again. We are an internet >>>>>>>> service >>>>>>>> provider. We register domains for our customers. So we need this >>>>>>>> extension >>>>>>>> to register domains like fußball.de. Actually browsers like >>>>>>>> firefox >>>>>>>> or >>>>>>>> internet explorer transform this into fussball.de. so they >>>>>>>> don't >>>>>>>> support >>>>>>>> this at the moment. The DENIC allows to register domains like >>>>>>>> fußball.de >>>>>>>> now. There might be a problem to surf to these site but you can >>>>>>>> register >>>>>>>> it. >>>>>>>> And there is now a difference between fussball.de and fußball..de. >>>>>>>> That's >>>>>>>> why >>>>>>>> we developed this extension. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Cheers. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Am 04.11.2011 12:00, schrieb Pierre Joye: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> hi, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> That's also why I said that the current pecl's idn >>>>>>>>> extension is >>>>>>>>> really >>>>>>>>> not to be used. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ICU supports IDNA 2008 and is kept up to date with any change >>>>>>>>> or >>>>>>>>> progress in this area. So any new features will be >>>>>>>>> transparently >>>>>>>>> available to our users via the intl's idn functions. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 7:49 AM, Sven >>>>>>>>> Kowalski<sk01@planet-ic.de> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> hey, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> This one you describe just supports the IDNA 2003 standard. >>>>>>>>>> Now the >>>>>>>>>> DENIC >>>>>>>>>> wants to support the IDNA 2008 standard. So we developed >>>>>>>>>> this >>>>>>>>>> php-extension. >>>>>>>>>> Especially the german letter ß should be supported. This >>>>>>>>>> one >>>>>>>>>> becomes >>>>>>>>>> ss >>>>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>>>> IDNA2003. But the DENIC says now the ß is an ß. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Cheers. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Am 01.11.2011 11:34, schrieb Pierre Joye: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> hi, >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> As this library is good, I wonder about the usage >>>>>>>>>>> given: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> http://www.php.net/idn_to_utf8 >>>>>>>>>>> http://www.php.net/idn_ >>>>>>>>>>> to_ ascii >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> which are available in our current stable branche. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Also for older (and dead php) PHP versions, there was >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> http://pecl.php.net/package/idn >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 9:49 AM, Sven >>>>>>>>>>> Kowalski<sk01@planet-ic.de> >>>>>>>>>>>  wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> hey all, >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> my name ist Sven Kowalski and I'm 23 years >>>>>>>>>>>> old. I'm a Master >>>>>>>>>>>> business >>>>>>>>>>>> informatics student and I work at the company >>>>>>>>>>>> Planet IC. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> During my work I wrote a php-extension which >>>>>>>>>>>> implements the >>>>>>>>>>>> IDNA2008 >>>>>>>>>>>> standard to php. We are an internet service >>>>>>>>>>>> provider and use a >>>>>>>>>>>> php >>>>>>>>>>>> framework >>>>>>>>>>>> to manage the domains of our customers. So we need >>>>>>>>>>>> the IDNA2008 >>>>>>>>>>>> standard >>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>> support the actual demand of the DENIC to support >>>>>>>>>>>> the LATIN SMALL >>>>>>>>>>>> LETTER >>>>>>>>>>>> SHARP S ( In Germany also know as the ß (eszett) ) >>>>>>>>>>>> in a domain. >>>>>>>>>>>> The >>>>>>>>>>>> still >>>>>>>>>>>> implemented idn_to_ascii function is insufficient >>>>>>>>>>>> for us, because >>>>>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>>>> just >>>>>>>>>>>> support the IDNA2003 standard. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> To realize that php-extension we used the gnu >>>>>>>>>>>> libidn2. Gnu >>>>>>>>>>>> libidn2 >>>>>>>>>>>> has >>>>>>>>>>>> 4 >>>>>>>>>>>> RFCs which you can see under the following links. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5890 >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5891 >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5892 >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5893 >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> We would like to provide these extension to the >>>>>>>>>>>> php-world. So we >>>>>>>>>>>> hope >>>>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>>>>> positive reply. :-) >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> You can see the extension in action and download it >>>>>>>>>>>> here: >>>>>>>>>>>> http://pecl.p4.net/ >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> With best regards >>>>>>>>>>>> Sven Kowalski >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>> PECL development discussion Mailing List >>>>>>>>>>>> (http://pecl.php.net/) >>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, visit: >>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.php.net/unsub.php >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> PECL development discussion Mailing List (http://pecl.php.net/) >>>> To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >> > > > > -- > Pierre > > @pierrejoye | http://blog.thepimp.net | > http://www.libgd.org > > -- > PECL development discussion Mailing List (http://pecl.php.net/) > To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php > >