removal of this list

From: Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2009 18:12:42 +0000
Subject: removal of this list
Groups: php.standards 
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Hi, As incredible as this is to me, Travis's blog post http://www.travisswicegood.com/index.php/2009/06/02/my-goals-for-the-php-standards-group makes it clear that the purpose of the standards list is to actively shut out input from the outside world because of statements like this: "All of us are too busy, both with real jobs and our various projects, to fight the battles that come of trying to make this a completely open process where anyone with an email address can contribute. Sad as it may be, pear-dev has demonstrated that coding standards *must* go the way of sausages and laws lest they devolve into a constant "but I think <insert favorite coding standard pet peeve> is better, and this is why..." followed by pages of well meaning, but generally irrelevant content." If this intention is truly as Travis represents it, I would like to formally request that this list be removed, and that the group in question stop using "PHP" in its title, as it does not represent anything close to a PHP standard. Being "too busy" to take serious suggestions from outsiders seriously is unacceptable in open source. If I have misinterpreted the intention, please correct me by eliminating all closed lists, and all language excluding input from outsiders. To be clear: no one is suggesting that the final decision should be made by democratic vote, but as in any representative democracy, the people have the right to petition their representatives and the representatives have the responsibility to listen to the petitions. The problem here is that this is being treated more like a fascist state than a representative democracy, and that attitude most definitely does not belong anywhere near php.net. Thanks, Greg

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