Re: removal of this list

This is going nowhere. ¿what are we talking about? I'm anxious to start talking about standards, I hope it no take so long... On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 3:44 PM, Guilherme Blanco <guilhermeblanco@gmail.com > wrote: > I was not correctly understanding then. > > I thought all arguing here was to keep everyone voting. > So I'm +1 to keep it open to anyone. But we definately need a separate > list only for comittee... > > > Regards, > > On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 3:36 PM, Michael J > Burgess<michael@mjburgess.co.uk> wrote: > > Guilherme Blanco wrote: > > > >> I agree and disagree at the same time. > > > >> > > > >> Keep the list moderated and a closed group is bad as it is currently. > > > >> But leave it opened to everyone leads to anarchy. > > > >> > > > >> You refer to the list being opened, but it's curious that ns separator > > > >> was voted by 6 people in a closed IRC room. > > > >> Please don't get me wrong, I do not want to start a flaming discussion > > > >> here. We had a lot of polls too that was considered only people with > > > >> karma on php. > > > >> It's already a representative democracy what you did for ns and phar > > > >> being enabled by default for example. I even voted on it. > > > >> > > > >> What we want it is actually to have a representative democracy. It's a > > > >> closed group that accepts/deny proposals from anyone. > > > >> Considering this, I'm in favor to keep this list closed and moderated. > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> If you are *REALLY* in favor to keep democracy, let's find > > > >> representatives then. > > > >> I'm ok for a poll at internals to chose the representative guys of > > > >> standards list. > > > > > > > > I wasnt aware this list had any final say over what goes into the > standard, > > not each post counts as a "vote". It is a medium for sharing ideas. The > > board is itself already closed. > > > > > > > > No one i have seen is saying *everyone* can have a *vote*. What is the > case > > now, and what should be the case, is that any one can voice their ideas > and > > opinions. > > > > > > > > Ideas are a market, with competition, youre trying to create a monopoly > and > > that is a very bad idea, for the reasons listed ad nauseam: there are > many, > > many instances where the final proposal has taken the time, effort and > ideas > > of many people to reach. > > > > > > > > Perhaps you fail to see that youre acting on behalf of PHP, at least this > is > > certainly how it will be received: this is a standard From PHP Itself. To > > have the community blocked out is criminal, hypocritical and entirely > > opposed to the spirit which has fostered the growth of PHP. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Guilherme Blanco - Web Developer > CBC - Certified Bindows Consultant > Cell Phone: +55 (16) 9215-8480 > MSN: guilhermeblanco@hotmail.com > URL: http://blog.bisna.com > São Paulo - SP/Brazil > > -- > PHP Naming Standardization Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) > To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php > > -- Martin Scotta