Re: removal of this list

I was not correctly understanding then. I thought all arguing here was to keep everyone voting. So I'm +1 to keep it open to anyone. But we definately need a separate list only for comittee... Regards, On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 3:36 PM, Michael J Burgess<michael@mjburgess.co.uk> wrote: > Guilherme Blanco wrote: > >> I agree and disagree at the same time. > >> > >> Keep the list moderated and a closed group is bad as it is currently. > >> But leave it opened to everyone leads to anarchy. > >> > >> You refer to the list being opened, but it's curious that ns separator > >> was voted by 6 people in a closed IRC room. > >> Please don't get me wrong, I do not want to start a flaming discussion > >> here. We had a lot of polls too that was considered only people with > >> karma on php. > >> It's already a representative democracy what you did for ns and phar > >> being enabled by default for example. I even voted on it. > >> > >> What we want it is actually to have a representative democracy. It's a > >> closed group that accepts/deny proposals from anyone. > >> Considering this, I'm in favor to keep this list closed and moderated. > >> > >> > >> If you are *REALLY* in favor to keep democracy, let's find > >> representatives then. > >> I'm ok for a poll at internals to chose the representative guys of > >> standards list. > > > > I wasnt aware this list had any final say over what goes into the standard, > not each post counts as a "vote". It is a medium for sharing ideas. The > board is itself already closed. > > > > No one i have seen is saying *everyone* can have a *vote*. What is the case > now, and what should be the case, is that any one can voice their ideas and > opinions. > > > > Ideas are a market, with competition, youre trying to create a monopoly and > that is a very bad idea, for the reasons listed ad nauseam: there are many, > many instances where the final proposal has taken the time, effort and ideas > of many people to reach. > > > > Perhaps you fail to see that youre acting on behalf of PHP, at least this is > certainly how it will be received: this is a standard From PHP Itself. To > have the community blocked out is criminal, hypocritical and entirely > opposed to the spirit which has fostered the growth of PHP. > > > > > > -- Guilherme Blanco - Web Developer CBC - Certified Bindows Consultant Cell Phone: +55 (16) 9215-8480 MSN: guilhermeblanco@hotmail.com URL: http://blog.bisna.com São Paulo - SP/Brazil