Re: Re: [PEPr] Proposal finished Console::Console_Getargs

On 18 May 2004 at 14:53, Lukas Smith wrote: > David Costa wrote: > > >> To me the purpose was to help pear-dev work efficiently, but I have > >> better things to do then having to deal with these constant > >> accusations. I dont know what the majority feels like, however the > >> majority is sure not defending the group either .. > > > > > > I don't think that the group should get too touched by one developer > > impatient about his own package etc. > > > > The majority doesn't often reply because it doesn't fit within the > > "political" discussion. They are just doing their best for the their > > package and this is what pear is about. > > Lets just say I am begining to care less about who feels what way. Being > on he group has become essentially a job I would rather not do anymore > since I dont feel like having to defend the groups existance on a daily > basis. Alternatively I can just begin to ignore those emails but I dont > feel comfortable with that either, since leaving these things unanswered > on pear-dev leaves this as a fact to all newcomers, lurkers or archive > readers. Finally these accustations actually come in impressive numbers > these days. It seems to me like the group will not be able to mediate > (since nobody trusts us anyways), will not be able to provide long term > advice (because everybody feels we are just ego patting), nor will it be > a good place for outside entities to contact PEAR since by and large > pear-dev could care less about what we say. I think our current > usefulness is in providing a great punching bag for anyone in PEAR to > complain about what they feel is currently not optimal in PEAR. Thats a > job I didnt accept when Stig asked me to join the group. > > Anyways I will ponder this some more and will decide if I resign from > the group in about 2 weeks. I can understand some of the bad feelings people have. But maybe they are mixing things up. Not everything is "optimal" - as Lukas wrote ... but that's true for the whole PEAR at the moment. And there is a lot of movement going on currently. Everybody who feels it's not going fast enough and has the time is surely invited to do his part of the "job". Let me express that I trust the group, as they are now. And since Lukas, Martin and Alan are even quite active on the mailinglists I would also say that we're still "in touch" with "the group". If there is any concrete point of criticism and you ask about it openly then I'm sure you'll get a nice and correct response from the group. But bitching gets us nowhere - and I can pretty much understand why Lukas is fed up with that. So if Lukas really wants to resign, be sure I'll cast a vote against it :-)) [Lukas, take it as a compliment!] Stefan